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Monday, November 17, 2008  |  16 Comments [ View ]

By Nicholas Riccardi
Los Angeles Times


SALT LAKE CITY -- In June, leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints made a fateful decision. They called on Mormons to donate their time and money to the campaign for California Proposition 8, which would overturn a state Supreme Court ruling that permitted gay marriages.

That push helped the initiative win narrow passage on election day. And it has made the Mormon church, which for years has striven to be seen as part of the American mainstream, a political target.

Protesters have massed outside Mormon temples nationwide. For every donation to a fund to overturn Proposition 8, a postcard is sent to the president of the Mormon Church. Supporters of gay marriage have proposed a boycott of Utah businesses, and someone burned a Book of Mormon outside a temple near Denver.

"It's disconcerting to Latter-day Saints that Mormonism is still the religious tradition that everybody loves to hate," said Melissa Proctor, a professor at Harvard Divinity School.

As an indication of how seriously the Mormon leadership takes the recent criticism, the council that runs the church -- the First Presidency -- released a statement Friday decrying what it portrayed as a campaign not just against Mormons but all religious people who vote their conscience.

"People of faith have been intimidated for simply exercising their democratic rights," the statement said. "These are not actions that are worthy of the democratic ideals of our nation. The end of a free and fair election should not be the beginning of a hostile response in America."

Jim Key, a spokesman for the Los Angeles Gay & Lesbian Center, said gay-marriage activists' barbs are directed at church leadership, not individual Mormons. "We're making a statement that no one's religious beliefs should be used to deny fundamental rights to others," he said.

Proposition 8 opponents estimate that members of the Mormon church gave more than $20 million to the effort to pass the measure, although that is difficult to confirm, because records of campaign donations do not include religious affiliation.

For years, church leaders have tried to blunt the assertion that Mormonism is somehow out of the political and cultural mainstream. The backlash over gay marriage carries both risks and rewards toward that goal.

To support Proposition 8, the LDS church entered into a coalition with other religious organizations, including evangelical groups that have tended to view Mormons warily. It was a Catholic bishop, Mormon officials said, who requested the LDS church bring its members into the fight. Now those groups are rallying behind the embattled church.

"Being against gay marriage puts the church right in the mainstream of American religious behavior," said Quinn Monson, a political-science professor at Brigham Young University.

But the outrage directed toward the church could hurt its efforts to continue to expand.

"The backlash is going on all over the country," said Jan Shipps, a prominent scholar of modern Mormonism who is an emeritus professor at Indiana University and Purdue University-Indianapolis. "There are people who had a lot of respect for the Mormons who now say, 'Well, they're just like the Christian right."'

That's ironic, said Shipps, given that the Mormon church has a more tolerant stance on homosexuality than some evangelical groups. The LDS has pointedly declined to state that homosexuality is a choice. And it has cautioned against programs that purport to "cure" same-sex attraction, even though Mormon theology holds that marriage is a divine relationship between men and women that continues into the afterlife.

Also, Shipps said, while the church had been riding high ever since the successful 2002 Winter Olympics here, the gay-marriage fight and other recent setbacks have forced the church to deal with skepticism over its faith and history.

First there was former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney's unsuccessful run for the Republican presidential nomination. Mormons were shocked that Romney's LDS faith was a source of discomfort for some voters.

"Latter-day Saints were just amazed to think there was such bigotry in the country," church spokesman Michael Otterson said.

And a raid on a polygamous breakaway sect in Texas this spring was a reminder of the church's use of multiple marriages in the 19th century, even though the LDS has long renounced polygamy. "That whole story in Texas was probably much worse for the church's image than Proposition 8," Monson said.





 16 Comments

By: laughing @ 11/19/2008, 5:48 PM

How lame and obscene! The Mormon church was not the ones funding the yes on prop 8. It was it's members and members of many other churches and also those who do not affiliate with any church. If you take away the tax exempt status from the "Mormons" then you need to take it away from every church that had a member put money towards yes on 8. If this is your stance then we need to stop funding public schools. We, those that own homes like myself, pay property taxes and that goes to our public schools. That money gets handed out to our teachers who in turn pay their unions. The California Teachers Union spent $1.25 MILLION dollars, our tax money, on fighting this proposition. That is $1.25 MILLION more than the "Mormon" church.

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By: Zarnicki @ 11/18/2008, 6:32 AM

My only issue is that if the LDS church is going to act like a Political Action Committee and mobilize people on political issues then they should forfeit their tax exempt benefit. You can't have it both ways, either separate yourself from state issues or give up your tax status and participate.

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By: laughing @ 11/17/2008, 9:21 PM

Ok Dikman1469. Animals experience homosexual behavior for certain reasons. They want to show dominance (main reason) it is not because they are in love. How many documentaries have you seen with a male bear coming back to another male bear after a season. Gay sex can't work, the species would cease to exist. And by the way, when do we start saying "well that animal does it"? Remember we are higher on the food chain. And just because a dog licks his rear in public doesn't mean you can.

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By: dkm1469 @ 11/17/2008, 6:14 PM

Ok Skippy,

Prove this; “Other countries that have allowed same sex marriage for decades have found that most homosexuals really don't marry anyway and their divorce rate is much higher than their hetero counterparts".

Show me one credible resource. Don't bother, there isn't one.

"Homosexuality is not practiced in nature by any animal."

Wrong again Skippy. Homosexual behaviour has been observed in 1,500 animal species. (see Homosexual Behaviour in Animals By Volker Sommer, Paul L. Vasey)

"We will treat you with kindness, respect and tolerance, but we will not accept your lifestyle as normal and one that you have "chosen" for yourself."

Your wonderful and fabulous God made these people this way, IT IS NOT A CHOICE!!

But enough time spent arguing with the clueless.

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By: Skipper @ 11/17/2008, 5:49 PM

Doesn't anyone find it ironic that the civil rights movement compared to by the gays is the "black" civil rights movement and they are the ones that almost unanimously voted against the gay marriage.

This isn't about race, color of skin, nationality, religion, or any other "Civil Rights" issue. It is a moral issue. That is what seems to be ignored by the homosexual community. They have made it a civil rights issue to overshadow the issue of morality.

If homosexuality is so "normal" why do they spend so much time trying to convince everyone else that it is? I don't need them to give me a ceremonious "coming out" party any more than I want my work mates to tell me about all of their weekend sex affairs. I don't need a gay pride parade anymore than I want someone to explain to me why they slept out on their marriage partners of 30 years and how the sex was.

It is not normal. I don't care how many ways they try to convince me other wise. It isn't about marriage. Other countries that have allowed same sex marriage for decades have found that most homosexuals really don't marry anyway and their divorce rate is much higher than their hetero counterparts.

They want to get married to give themselves the impression that they are normal and to share with everyone else, "see we are just like you." Homosexuality is not practiced in nature by any animal.

Pick on the LDS, Catholic or any other church. It will not change your immoral abnormal gay relationships, no matter how you try to package it. Deal with your own guilt and feelings of "wrongness", but don't try to sell it to me through my government, church, or school system.

Years ago the gay community asked that we leave them alone. Over time we have learned to do just that and now it is not good enough. I would ask the same thing that you have asked of all heterosexuals...leave us and your lifestyle out of our lives. We will treat you with kindness, respect and tolerance, but we will not accept your lifestyle as normal and one that you have "chosen" for yourself.

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By: Dale @ 11/17/2008, 2:37 PM

Gays never took away the rights of voters. The problem is that it should never have gone to the voters in the first place. The California Supreme Court looked at the constitution and decided. You cannot give marriage to one group of people and civil unions to another. That is "separate, but equal" and it doesn't fly. During segregation, if bigoted voters would have had the opportunity to vote on that, schools in the south would never have been desegregated when they were. It took a court to review the constitution and order desegregation. Very similar here. You should never leave issues of civil rights to voters. That's for the courts. A majority, which holds often biased opinions against a minority, will always vote down rights for that group.

People have the right to teach whatever bigoted things they want to their children at home and in the church, but that doesn't mean those things should be put to a vote.

The procreation argument is ridiculous. If marriage is about procreation, why do Mormons allow women after 45 to get married? They can't procreate. Why does god create people who have health issues barring them from procreating. Why do you allow those people to marry then? The reason is because marriage is not about procreation at all, but it's about love and companionship. Two consenting adults who love each other deserve civil marriage.

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By: Revoke @ 11/17/2008, 2:22 PM

Time to take a stand

http://lds501c3.wordpress.com

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By: *sigh* @ 11/17/2008, 2:05 PM

What is right: But if a person is denying themselves of their true feelings, it's just gonig to cause that much more pressure on the marriage.

If they are happier with a member of the same sex, who are we to argue?

The only reason why marriage has to of been defined, is because people are still uncomfortable with changing the status quo.

Look at hwo it is currently. Some people are fanatical about their religion, and they believe that African-Americans are still descended from Cain.

How have we not evolved as a society to accept everyone as they are yet?

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By: *sigh* @ 11/17/2008, 2:02 PM

Opening: This is already happening. Sometimes people believe differently. It doesn't mean that they are necessarily wrong.

There are definite limits, such as bestiality, and marriage to minors. However, if people are willing (read: of legal age, and *informed*) to enter contracts such as polygamous or same sex marriages, who am I to agrue?

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By: What is right? @ 11/17/2008, 2:02 PM

People against gay marriage are not denying rights to anybody. Gay people can get married, just like anybody else, to a member of the opposite sex. The definition of marriage is a union between a man and a woman, in order to allow gay marriages the entire definition of the word must be changed. No rights are being withheld, nobody (gay or straight) can marry a person of the same sex.

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By: Non Momon @ 11/17/2008, 2:01 PM

Ok, I understand the constitution where everyone has a god given right to thier own opinion. I have lived here in Utah for most of my life. I am sick and tired of Mormonism being shoved in the throats of non mormons everyday, but, I have made a choice to live here and do love lots of my beautiful mormon neighbors and friends. What I don't understand is why do they feel like they are being picked on cause they made a decision to support the ANTI gay movement. If your going to jump into a hot political item such as this you can expect the BACKLASH. Why should you be immune? I have a saying in my house "Every action has a reaction" this is the reaction of Gay communities and their supporters. I am not saying it is right...but they as citizens have the GOD given right to have thier opinion just like you do right? God will eventually wipe us all out anyway so why not let people love and live the way they want to!

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By: Rediculous Religion @ 11/17/2008, 1:52 PM

Caught off-guard...So silly of a comment "The LDS faith is one directed by God not the popular demands of man". Hmm if I recall correctly "the" church has had to change their beliefs on having African Americans ordained. The church was threatened by the IRS, sports teams threatened to boycott events with BYU. Basically what you said is Rediculous Religiousness.

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By: Opening the Flood Gates @ 11/17/2008, 1:40 PM

The line on marriage has to be drawn somewhere. If same-sex marriages are allowed, next others will be pushing for plural marriages, marriages between man and beast, and marriage to little children. This is the beginning of a slippery slop.

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By: *sigh* @ 11/17/2008, 1:27 PM

I have agree that the backlash is a good thing, but only as part of a general scale effort.

I have no problems with religious folk; however if people wish to marry, such as hetero or homosexuals, who are we to deny rights?

There is such an antagonistic spirit in this country in regards to marriage, that it has to be a certain way.

Why deny rights to people that are different than yourself? It's not right to do so. We all know it. But the hatred continues against those that are not the same.

It's been that way through history, and it is doomed to repeat itself over and over.

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By: Straight talk @ 11/17/2008, 1:26 PM

Why is it ok for GAYS to take away the rights of those who voted? It has passed twice in california!!! You never had the right to marry in the first place, and why should a majority of people be force to imbrace your belief? Why does my right to teach my child that Homo sexually it wrong, and if I do be called a bigot? How ignorant Gays are to point their finger at the mormon chuch as who to blame. It was not the church who donated the money, it was its members, along with many other people. Who are the real haters? Book burners in front of temples? Wow homo's Who hates who?. If gays should be allowed to marry then God would have created the ability for Homo's to procreate. If ther is no GOD then still the sole purpose of all the creatures on earth is to create life.

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By: caught off-guard @ 11/17/2008, 1:00 PM

I think NOT!
There will be many Americans that have not taken a look at the LDS church that will now take a look at the LDS church. The LDS faith is one directed by God not the popular/demands of man. I would really wonder about any church that bows to the demands of man.

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