North Ogden City Council emails, 17 of 23

Feb 25 2012 - 9:06pm

The Standard-Examiner requested all email correspondence between the North Ogden mayor, city council and staff members, between Jan. 12-Jan. 30, regarding the subject of employee benefits.

These emails are presented as received from the city, may include duplicate messages and are not necessarily in chronological order.

 

 

 

 


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From: Annette Spendlove <aspend@nogden.org>

To: "rtrotter16@yahoo.com" <rtrotter16@yahoo.com>

Cc: Ed Dickie <edickie@nogden.org>; Dave Carlson <DCarlson@nogden.org>; Cheryl Stoker <CStoker@nogden.org>; David Hulme <DHulme@nogden.org>; Justin Fawson <JFawson@nogden.org>; Kent Bailey <KBailey@nogden.org>; Richard Harris <rharris@nogden.org>; Wade Bigler <wbigler@nogden.org>

Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 2:10 PM

Subject: GRAMA request

 

 

 

S. Annette Spendlove, MMC

City Recorder/HR Director

505 E. 2600 N.

North Ogden, UT 84414

801-737-9830 desk

801-430-2928 cell

801-737-2219 fax

 

I have attached the spreadsheet containing all the cities that responded in the last few days regarding their health insurance premiums etc.

 

I believe we got 37 to respond so far.

The following shows the last three years of increases to our health and dental insurance (the numbers start quite a bit higher than what we are actually able to negotiate them down to):

2009-10 health had 0% increase and dental had a 5% increase

2010-11 health had a 5.8% increase and dental had a 3% increase

2011-12 health had a 3.5% increase and dental had a 10% increase (this is current FY)

2012-13 we will not know for a few weeks as negotiations are just underway (we start by budgeting a 10% increase and hope we are able to negotiate a uch lower increase come time of the budget retreat).

Ed

 

Edward Dickie

City Manager

North Ogden City

Office: 801-737-2200

Cell: 801-940-1890

I have attached the spreadsheet containing all the cities that responded in the last few days regarding their health insurance premiums etc.

 

I believe we got 37 to respond so far.

The following shows the last three years of increases to our health and dental insurance (the numbers start quite a bit higher than what we are actually able to negotiate them down to):

2009-10 health had 0% increase and dental had a 5% increase

2010-11 health had a 5.8% increase and dental had a 3% increase

2011-12 health had a 3.5% increase and dental had a 10% increase (this is current FY)

2012-13 we will not know for a few weeks as negotiations are just underway (we start by budgeting a 10% increase and hope we are able to negotiate a uch lower increase come time of the budget retreat).

Ed

 

Edward Dickie

City Manager

North Ogden City

Office: 801-737-2200

Cell: 801-940-1890

I have attached the spreadsheet containing all the cities that responded in the last few days regarding their health insurance premiums etc.

 

I believe we got 37 to respond so far.

The following shows the last three years of increases to our health and dental insurance (the numbers start quite a bit higher than what we are actually able to negotiate them down to):

2009-10 health had 0% increase and dental had a 5% increase

2010-11 health had a 5.8% increase and dental had a 3% increase

2011-12 health had a 3.5% increase and dental had a 10% increase (this is current FY)

2012-13 we will not know for a few weeks as negotiations are just underway (we start by budgeting a 10% increase and hope we are able to negotiate a uch lower increase come time of the budget retreat).

Ed

 

Edward Dickie

City Manager

North Ogden City

Office: 801-737-2200

Cell: 801-940-1890

I have attached the spreadsheet containing all the cities that responded in the last few days regarding their health insurance premiums etc.

 

I believe we got 37 to respond so far.

The following shows the last three years of increases to our health and dental insurance (the numbers start quite a bit higher than what we are actually able to negotiate them down to):

2009-10 health had 0% increase and dental had a 5% increase

2010-11 health had a 5.8% increase and dental had a 3% increase

2011-12 health had a 3.5% increase and dental had a 10% increase (this is current FY)

2012-13 we will not know for a few weeks as negotiations are just underway (we start by budgeting a 10% increase and hope we are able to negotiate a uch lower increase come time of the budget retreat).

Ed

 

Edward Dickie

City Manager

North Ogden City

Office: 801-737-2200

Cell: 801-940-1890

I would like the following items on the next council mtg agenda, Jan. 24.

 

1. City employee medical benefits: discuss and vote.

I would like for Debbie to send via email to council how much savings there would be for the next 12 months to lower city employee medical benefits from 90%, to 80% and 70%. Please send these two numbers to council in the packet.

 

2. Discuss and vote to alter city procedure that currently only allows two council members to serve on a committee. Vote to allow any council member to serve on a committee that desires to do so.

 

3. Discuss disproportionate fees for businesses.

 

4. Discuss an awning issue that residents Mr. & Mrs. DeLasilva have. Allow Mr. DeLasilva to explain his dilemma.

 

Thanks,

 

Wade

I would like the following items on the next council mtg agenda, Jan. 24.

 

1. City employee medical benefits: discuss and vote.

I would like for Debbie to send via email to council how much savings there would be for the next 12 months to lower city employee medical benefits from 90%, to 80% and 70%. Please send these two numbers to council in the packet.

 

2. Discuss and vote to alter city procedure that currently only allows two council members to serve on a committee. Vote to allow any council member to serve on a committee that desires to do so.

 

3. Discuss disproportionate fees for businesses.

 

4. Discuss an awning issue that residents Mr. & Mrs. DeLasilva have. Allow Mr. DeLasilva to explain his dilemma.

 

Thanks,

 

Wade

I would like the following items on the next council mtg agenda, Jan. 24.

 

1. City employee medical benefits: discuss and vote.

I would like for Debbie to send via email to council how much savings there would be for the next 12 months to lower city employee medical benefits from 90%, to 80% and 70%. Please send these two numbers to council in the packet.

 

2. Discuss and vote to alter city procedure that currently only allows two council members to serve on a committee. Vote to allow any council member to serve on a committee that desires to do so.

 

3. Discuss disproportionate fees for businesses.

 

4. Discuss an awning issue that residents Mr. & Mrs. DeLasilva have. Allow Mr. DeLasilva to explain his dilemma.

 

Thanks,

 

Wade

I would like the following items on the next council mtg agenda, Jan. 24.

 

1. City employee medical benefits: discuss and vote.

I would like for Debbie to send via email to council how much savings there would be for the next 12 months to lower city employee medical benefits from 90%, to 80% and 70%. Please send these two numbers to council in the packet.

 

2. Discuss and vote to alter city procedure that currently only allows two council members to serve on a committee. Vote to allow any council member to serve on a committee that desires to do so.

 

3. Discuss disproportionate fees for businesses.

 

4. Discuss an awning issue that residents Mr. & Mrs. DeLasilva have. Allow Mr. DeLasilva to explain his dilemma.

 

Thanks,

 

Wade

If you have items for the January 24, 2012 City Council meeting agenda. Please send them to me by 5pm January 17, 2012 with supporting documentation. If you have any questions please contact me.

 

Thanks,

 

 

S. Annette Spendlove, MMC

City Recorder/HR Director

505 E. 2600 N.

North Ogden, UT 84414

801-737-9830 desk

801-430-2928 cell

801-737-2219 fax

 

 

Have a great weekend!

 

 

Edward Dickie

City Manager

North Ogden City

Office: 801-737-2200

Cell: 801-940-1890

 

From: Justin Fawson

Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 9:13 AM

To: Wade Bigler; Cheryl Stoker; Justin Fawson; Kent Bailey

Subject: Re: 80% benefit

Wade,

 

To be sure, I'd be interested in doing the total compensation study before making changes to their compensation. We can assume their wages are on par with the market, but until we dig into it, we can't know for sure. Their benefits are certainly far beyond what anyone in the private sector is offering, but we have to balance that with wages in my opinion.

 

Neal Berube called me yesterday to discuss this issue. He was on a state-level committee that looked at total compensation for state employees. They found that salaries were below private sector, but benefits and retirement were well above, so they right-sized both. They increased wages over time and set a cap on state insurance premium contributions so that employees could choose their plans. If they chose a high-deductible plan, the state paid 100% because the cost was much lower. If they chose a full coverage, low deductible plan, the employee would have to pay what the state would not. It was based on a total dollar amount contribution, not a percentage. They also did away with contributing to their retirement and moved instead to contributing to their 401k.

 

In a word, no, I'm not ready to cut it tonight. However, I do want to start the study. I'd love to have Neal and some other operations, finance and HR people in the community sit on this temporary, volunteer committee.

 

What are your thoughts?

 

Justin

 

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From: Wade Bigler <wbigler@nogden.org>

To: Cheryl Stoker <CStoker@nogden.org>, Justin Fawson <JFawson@nogden.org>, Kent Bailey <KBailey@nogden.org>

Sent: Tue, Jan 24, 2012 05:29:10 GMT+00:00

Subject: 80% benefit

I'd like to know how each of you are feeling about 80% tomorrow night in light of all the employee and Ed's clamor. Do you feel as you did before you were council members? Cut it to 80% now and then form the committee to look at every other aspect of their financial package? If each of you feel as you did a few weeks ago then this agenda item can be taken care of quickly, without controversy among the council. As I stated previously, I do not support it being lowered to 70% now. I think 80% is extremely fair, in fact a great benefit. I put this item on the agenda on behalf of the 4 of us wanting this done. Do you still feel the same?

 

 

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From: Cheryl Stoker

Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 8:42 PM

To: Wade Bigler; Ed Dickie; David Hulme; Justin Fawson; Kent Bailey; Richard Harris

Subject: RE: letter to city council

 

I also agree with the mayor and wade on the letter it seems like we all recieved. Everyone else has to state their name and address and I think this person should also have to do the same. Cheryl

 

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From: Wade Bigler

Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 2:39 PM

To: Ed Dickie; Cheryl Stoker; David Hulme; Justin Fawson; Kent Bailey; Richard Harris

Subject: RE: letter to city council

 

 

1. It's obvious that someone in our city administration has indeed been talking with city staff and employees concerning reduction of benefits. This anonymous letter was typed and sent to us BEFORE the agenda and packet were avalable online so that is not where they got it from as was suggested.

 

In the past, the mayor has taken the stance to not respond to anonymous letters and emails. I have supported and agreed with the mayor on this point.

 

Regarding the anonymous letter that was asked if we would read it in council meeting: I believe city council meetings are set up so there are no unnamed persons having a voice in those meetings. If this employee wants to have the letter read in council meeting, then they should have to stand up, state their name and address just like every other participant is required to do, and then they can read their own letter rather than having someone else do it for them anonymously. They have the right and the opportunity to read their letter if they so desire, but it is my opinion that none of us should do so. It is an open and public meeting. No one should have an anonymous voice in a council meeting.

 

 

 

Wade

 

 

 

 

 

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From: Ed Dickie

Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 12:02 PM

To: Cheryl Stoker; David Hulme; Justin Fawson; Kent Bailey; Richard Harris; Wade Bigler

Subject: letter to city council

 

The Mayor showed me a letter he received in the mail this weekend regarding the employee benefits. I think that this person said that they were a city employee? I want City Council to know that I have nothing to do with this nor have I discussed this agenda item with the employees. The letter the Mayor showed me does not have a name on it so I don't know if council or the Mayor is obligated to read it in the meeting other than just reference that you received it (and this is up to you all). The employees have access to see what is on the agenda and they pay attention to it so that is probably how they found out. We could see a few employees come to the meeting tomorrow - once again I have not asked them to do so, they are/will be acting on their own.

 

I will send an updated city benefit spreadsheet tomorrow before the meeting. We have sent an email out asking for this info and as they respond we add it to the spreadsheet. We thought it would be helpful for council e to know what other cities are currently providing their employees.

 

Respectfully,

 

Ed

 

 

Edward Dickie

City Manager

North Ogden City

Office: 801-737-2200

Cell: 801-940-1890

 

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