The Standard-Examiner requested all email correspondence between the North Ogden mayor, city council and staff members, between Jan. 12-Jan. 30, regarding the subject of employee benefits.
These emails are presented as received from the city, may include duplicate messages and are not necessarily in chronological order.
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From: Annette Spendlove <aspend@nogden.org>
To: "rtrotter16@yahoo.com" <rtrotter16@yahoo.com>
Cc: Ed Dickie <edickie@nogden.org>; Dave Carlson <DCarlson@nogden.org>; Cheryl Stoker <CStoker@nogden.org>; David Hulme <DHulme@nogden.org>; Justin Fawson <JFawson@nogden.org>; Kent Bailey <KBailey@nogden.org>; Richard Harris <rharris@nogden.org>; Wade Bigler <wbigler@nogden.org>
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 2:22 PM
Subject: GRAMA request
S. Annette Spendlove, MMC
City Recorder/HR Director
505 E. 2600 N.
North Ogden, UT 84414
801-737-9830 desk
801-430-2928 cell
801-737-2219 fax
Ken,
Thank you for your email and for your years of service to North Ogden City. I think it's important for our city employees to know that there is no malicious intent or hostility toward them regarding this issue. This review of compensation packages (including pay and benefits) isn't based on past performance or dissatisfaction we have felt. I can't speak for the other members of the council, but my feeling is that this is a matter of course and an obligation that the council has to our residents who pay every dollar of the city employees' compensation. It is our responsibility to ensure that the packages offered are reasonable and, as you mentioned, competitive. I agree that we need to ensure that we are delivering excellent services to the residents of North Ogden.
On your second point regarding the use of volunteers to do the work of city employees. I believe you may be referencing the article in the Standard Examiner about the RAMP funds. My comments to Dave Nordquist were aimed at ensuring the city was matching the funds given back to the city through RAMP in the form of volunteer hours whenever possible. Dave has done a great job getting Eagle Scouts, church and community groups involved in many different projects throughout the city. The dog park, as I understand it, was created solely through volunteer hours--and that's how we matched the RAMP funds (we're required to match the RAMP grants in materials or labor. Volunteer hours count toward the labor matching). I'm certain we're very limited in what volunteers can do in the city from a liability perspective. I certainly don't want volunteers patching the streets or fixing main breaks. These are better left to the professionals--as you stated.
Again, thank you for your perspective and time you took to share your thoughts. I would encourage you to share any further comments or thoughts during the public comments during the first part of the city council meeting tomorrow. Keep in mind that it starts at 6:30 now.
Best regards,
Justin Fawson
City Council Member
North Ogden City
Office: 801-782-7211
Cell: 801-781-0016
From: Ed Dickie
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 12:08 PM
To: Cheryl Stoker; David Hulme; Justin Fawson; Kent Bailey; Richard Harris; Wade Bigler
Subject: FW: Agenda
I was asked to forward this email to mayor and council.
Edward Dickie
City Manager
North Ogden City
Office: 801-737-2200
Cell: 801-940-1890
From: Ken [mailto:ken.mscity@webpipe.net]
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 12:02 PM
To: Ed Dickie
Subject: Agenda
Mr. Dickie,
I read in the Standard agenda section for the next North Ogden City Council's meeting agenda item # 1 that there is to be discussion concerning the changes on the percent that the city and employee pays for health and dental premiums.
It seems that each time a new council is elected this item comes up, from my 20+ years of being a North Ogden city employee this came up way too often. In most cases when the % changed in favor of the employee, it was done with the concession that it was in lieu of a pay increase.
I hope the new council would give this some serious consideration before making any changes.There are always new council members that think that the North Ogden City employees are paid too much. When I was working for North Ogden, our employees were always behind all of the other local cities in the pay scale and benefits. In the years that I work there we were always losing great employees to other cities for that very reason. I stayed as well as a few others because I enjoyed working in the city. However, if the council is hostile to employees the city can lose valued employees that will result in the loss of needed institution memory and quality service.
Being a North Ogden resident and retired employee of North Ogden City, I feel we need to leave the current system as is. Let's keep our hard working employees of North Ogden happy so that they continue to do a great service to the residents of the city as they do now.
I also understand that there are some council members that would like to see more volunteers to do the work of the city, there is some work in the city that could be done by volunteers as the city has now a great volunteer staff working for the residents to make it a better place to live. However, my expreience is that volunteers have little accountability since they have nothing to lose by stopping their service, and volunteer service wanes with time as volunteers become burnt out. Furthermore, serviing as a volunteer is a thankless job with public criticism that does not exist to the same extend as volunteers in other organizations, , chruches, and non-profits. Volunteers also have limited availability, work schedules, pose a higher liability than employees, do not have the training, and do not know OSHA standards. For example, like the recent snow storm we had how many people could or would leave there work to come and volunteer to plow snow? I would guess that number would be short of the number needed. Volunteers also fixing water main breaks on a cold winter night or understanding the OSHA rules relating cleaing sewer lines or similar is not somthing that the city should rely on. For these and many more reasons and situations we need the employees since a volunteer staff will not work.
I know that in the meeting there will not be any public comment on this issue. This is why I am sending this email in hopes that you foward it to the Mayor an City Council so they know that there are residents out there who are not in favor of any changes to the system.
Ken Martin
348 West 1875 North
North Ogden City
Ken,
Thanks for putting these items in context for me. My purpose in running was to hear your voice. Thanks for sharing it. I now understand where you're coming from.
Best regards,
Justin Fawson
City Council Member
North Ogden City
Office: 801-782-7211
Cell: 801-781-0016
From: Ken [ken.mscity@webpipe.net]
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 3:49 PM
To: Justin Fawson; Wade Bigler
Subject: RE: Agenda
Thank you for responding back to me,that means to me that you will listen to the citizens.I to think it is important that compensation packages be look at also but as I stated,it is always the very first item that comes up when a new council is elected,I was on the receiving end of the review several times and after several months there were council persons that called me in to there office and told me that there sole purpose for running for office was to fire me but after seeing that I was doing my job they had no problem with me it was a person that had told them that I was not doing my job probably because I would not let them do something that was against the city ordinances. As far as the citizens who pay for every dollar of the employees wages,I guess that you can say that about ever professions, that the citizens pay all of the wages of everybody,including doctors,teachers,store employees ect. but we just don't have the say in those wages.I for one think we have the best employees in the state working for our great city,there has never been a time that I have called the city that I have not had a response and I don't believe it was because I am a retired employee,I believe it is because they care about the resident's of the city.
On the volunteers issue,I did read the article on the dog park and I do understand that concept as I deal with that here in MSCITY were I work part time we have used the help of volunteers here for the matching funds,what I am referring to was when the petition was going around to have the bond for the public works building placed on the ballot there was a lot of talk from the people that came to my house to sign the petition of doing away with city employees so that we did not need the building and we would use residents to do the work,I know that is not was supposed to be said or happen but it did. I did sign the petition only because I felt it should be voted on for the amount of the bond,I know we need a newer building but there are better choices for the location of it. The right choice if it is to be relocated is at the pit on Mountain road that location has the least impact on the number of residents in the city.
Thank you again for your response back to me.
Ken
From: Justin Fawson [mailto:JFawson@nogden.org]
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 2:00 PM
Cc: Ed Dickie; Cheryl Stoker; David Hulme; Kent Bailey; Richard Harris; Wade Bigler
Subject: RE: Agenda
Ken,
Thank you for your email and for your years of service to North Ogden City. I think it's important for our city employees to know that there is no malicious intent or hostility toward them regarding this issue. This review of compensation packages (including pay and benefits) isn't based on past performance or dissatisfaction we have felt. I can't speak for the other members of the council, but my feeling is that this is a matter of course and an obligation that the council has to our residents who pay every dollar of the city employees' compensation. It is our responsibility to ensure that the packages offered are reasonable and, as you mentioned, competitive. I agree that we need to ensure that we are delivering excellent services to the residents of North Ogden.
On your second point regarding the use of volunteers to do the work of city employees. I believe you may be referencing the article in the Standard Examiner about the RAMP funds. My comments to Dave Nordquist were aimed at ensuring the city was matching the funds given back to the city through RAMP in the form of volunteer hours whenever possible. Dave has done a great job getting Eagle Scouts, church and community groups involved in many different projects throughout the city. The dog park, as I understand it, was created solely through volunteer hours--and that's how we matched the RAMP funds (we're required to match the RAMP grants in materials or labor. Volunteer hours count toward the labor matching). I'm certain we're very limited in what volunteers can do in the city from a liability perspective. I certainly don't want volunteers patching the streets or fixing main breaks. These are better left to the professionals--as you stated.
Again, thank you for your perspective and time you took to share your thoughts. I would encourage you to share any further comments or thoughts during the public comments during the first part of the city council meeting tomorrow. Keep in mind that it starts at 6:30 now.
Best regards,
Justin Fawson
City Council Member
North Ogden City
Office: 801-782-7211
Cell: 801-781-0016
From: Ed Dickie
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 12:08 PM
To: Cheryl Stoker; David Hulme; Justin Fawson; Kent Bailey; Richard Harris; Wade Bigler
Subject: FW: Agenda
I was asked to forward this email to mayor and council.
Edward Dickie
City Manager
North Ogden City
Office: 801-737-2200
Cell: 801-940-1890
From: Ken [mailto:ken.mscity@webpipe.net]
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 12:02 PM
To: Ed Dickie
Subject: Agenda
Mr. Dickie,
I read in the Standard agenda section for the next North Ogden City Council's meeting agenda item # 1 that there is to be discussion concerning the changes on the percent that the city and employee pays for health and dental premiums.
It seems that each time a new council is elected this item comes up, from my 20+ years of being a North Ogden city employee this came up way too often. In most cases when the % changed in favor of the employee, it was done with the concession that it was in lieu of a pay increase.
I hope the new council would give this some serious consideration before making any changes.There are always new council members that think that the North Ogden City employees are paid too much. When I was working for North Ogden, our employees were always behind all of the other local cities in the pay scale and benefits. In the years that I work there we were always losing great employees to other cities for that very reason. I stayed as well as a few others because I enjoyed working in the city. However, if the council is hostile to employees the city can lose valued employees that will result in the loss of needed institution memory and quality service.
Being a North Ogden resident and retired employee of North Ogden City, I feel we need to leave the current system as is. Let's keep our hard working employees of North Ogden happy so that they continue to do a great service to the residents of the city as they do now.
I also understand that there are some council members that would like to see more volunteers to do the work of the city, there is some work in the city that could be done by volunteers as the city has now a great volunteer staff working for the residents to make it a better place to live. However, my expreience is that volunteers have little accountability since they have nothing to lose by stopping their service, and volunteer service wanes with time as volunteers become burnt out. Furthermore, serviing as a volunteer is a thankless job with public criticism that does not exist to the same extend as volunteers in other organizations, , chruches, and non-profits. Volunteers also have limited availability, work schedules, pose a higher liability than employees, do not have the training, and do not know OSHA standards. For example, like the recent snow storm we had how many people could or would leave there work to come and volunteer to plow snow? I would guess that number would be short of the number needed. Volunteers also fixing water main breaks on a cold winter night or understanding the OSHA rules relating cleaing sewer lines or similar is not somthing that the city should rely on. For these and many more reasons and situations we need the employees since a volunteer staff will not work.
I know that in the meeting there will not be any public comment on this issue. This is why I am sending this email in hopes that you foward it to the Mayor an City Council so they know that there are residents out there who are not in favor of any changes to the system.
Ken Martin
348 West 1875 North
North Ogden City
Ken,
Thank you for your email and for your years of service to North Ogden City. I think it's important for our city employees to know that there is no malicious intent or hostility toward them regarding this issue. This review of compensation packages (including pay and benefits) isn't based on past performance or dissatisfaction we have felt. I can't speak for the other members of the council, but my feeling is that this is a matter of course and an obligation that the council has to our residents who pay every dollar of the city employees' compensation. It is our responsibility to ensure that the packages offered are reasonable and, as you mentioned, competitive. I agree that we need to ensure that we are delivering excellent services to the residents of North Ogden.
On your second point regarding the use of volunteers to do the work of city employees. I believe you may be referencing the article in the Standard Examiner about the RAMP funds. My comments to Dave Nordquist were aimed at ensuring the city was matching the funds given back to the city through RAMP in the form of volunteer hours whenever possible. Dave has done a great job getting Eagle Scouts, church and community groups involved in many different projects throughout the city. The dog park, as I understand it, was created solely through volunteer hours--and that's how we matched the RAMP funds (we're required to match the RAMP grants in materials or labor. Volunteer hours count toward the labor matching). I'm certain we're very limited in what volunteers can do in the city from a liability perspective. I certainly don't want volunteers patching the streets or fixing main breaks. These are better left to the professionals--as you stated.
Again, thank you for your perspective and time you took to share your thoughts. I would encourage you to share any further comments or thoughts during the public comments during the first part of the city council meeting tomorrow. Keep in mind that it starts at 6:30 now.
Best regards,
Justin Fawson
City Council Member
North Ogden City
Office: 801-782-7211
Cell: 801-781-0016
From: Ed Dickie
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 12:08 PM
To: Cheryl Stoker; David Hulme; Justin Fawson; Kent Bailey; Richard Harris; Wade Bigler
Subject: FW: Agenda
I was asked to forward this email to mayor and council.
Edward Dickie
City Manager
North Ogden City
Office: 801-737-2200
Cell: 801-940-1890
From: Ken [mailto:ken.mscity@webpipe.net]
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 12:02 PM
To: Ed Dickie
Subject: Agenda
Mr. Dickie,
I read in the Standard agenda section for the next North Ogden City Council's meeting agenda item # 1 that there is to be discussion concerning the changes on the percent that the city and employee pays for health and dental premiums.
It seems that each time a new council is elected this item comes up, from my 20+ years of being a North Ogden city employee this came up way too often. In most cases when the % changed in favor of the employee, it was done with the concession that it was in lieu of a pay increase.
I hope the new council would give this some serious consideration before making any changes.There are always new council members that think that the North Ogden City employees are paid too much. When I was working for North Ogden, our employees were always behind all of the other local cities in the pay scale and benefits. In the years that I work there we were always losing great employees to other cities for that very reason. I stayed as well as a few others because I enjoyed working in the city. However, if the council is hostile to employees the city can lose valued employees that will result in the loss of needed institution memory and quality service.
Being a North Ogden resident and retired employee of North Ogden City, I feel we need to leave the current system as is. Let's keep our hard working employees of North Ogden happy so that they continue to do a great service to the residents of the city as they do now.
I also understand that there are some council members that would like to see more volunteers to do the work of the city, there is some work in the city that could be done by volunteers as the city has now a great volunteer staff working for the residents to make it a better place to live. However, my expreience is that volunteers have little accountability since they have nothing to lose by stopping their service, and volunteer service wanes with time as volunteers become burnt out. Furthermore, serviing as a volunteer is a thankless job with public criticism that does not exist to the same extend as volunteers in other organizations, , chruches, and non-profits. Volunteers also have limited availability, work schedules, pose a higher liability than employees, do not have the training, and do not know OSHA standards. For example, like the recent snow storm we had how many people could or would leave there work to come and volunteer to plow snow? I would guess that number would be short of the number needed. Volunteers also fixing water main breaks on a cold winter night or understanding the OSHA rules relating cleaing sewer lines or similar is not somthing that the city should rely on. For these and many more reasons and situations we need the employees since a volunteer staff will not work.
I know that in the meeting there will not be any public comment on this issue. This is why I am sending this email in hopes that you foward it to the Mayor an City Council so they know that there are residents out there who are not in favor of any changes to the system.
Ken Martin
348 West 1875 North
North Ogden City
I ditto everything Justin said. Our city employees are great.
Wade Bigler
From: Justin Fawson
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 1:59 PM
Cc: Ed Dickie; Cheryl Stoker; David Hulme; Kent Bailey; Richard Harris; Wade Bigler
Subject: RE: Agenda
Ken,
Thank you for your email and for your years of service to North Ogden City. I think it's important for our city employees to know that there is no malicious intent or hostility toward them regarding this issue. This review of compensation packages (including pay and benefits) isn't based on past performance or dissatisfaction we have felt. I can't speak for the other members of the council, but my feeling is that this is a matter of course and an obligation that the council has to our residents who pay every dollar of the city employees' compensation. It is our responsibility to ensure that the packages offered are reasonable and, as you mentioned, competitive. I agree that we need to ensure that we are delivering excellent services to the residents of North Ogden.
On your second point regarding the use of volunteers to do the work of city employees. I believe you may be referencing the article in the Standard Examiner about the RAMP funds. My comments to Dave Nordquist were aimed at ensuring the city was matching the funds given back to the city through RAMP in the form of volunteer hours whenever possible. Dave has done a great job getting Eagle Scouts, church and community groups involved in many different projects throughout the city. The dog park, as I understand it, was created solely through volunteer hours--and that's how we matched the RAMP funds (we're required to match the RAMP grants in materials or labor. Volunteer hours count toward the labor matching). I'm certain we're very limited in what volunteers can do in the city from a liability perspective. I certainly don't want volunteers patching the streets or fixing main breaks. These are better left to the professionals--as you stated.
Again, thank you for your perspective and time you took to share your thoughts. I would encourage you to share any further comments or thoughts during the public comments during the first part of the city council meeting tomorrow. Keep in mind that it starts at 6:30 now.
Best regards,
Justin Fawson
City Council Member
North Ogden City
Office: 801-782-7211
Cell: 801-781-0016
From: Ed Dickie
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 12:08 PM
To: Cheryl Stoker; David Hulme; Justin Fawson; Kent Bailey; Richard Harris; Wade Bigler
Subject: FW: Agenda
I was asked to forward this email to mayor and council.
Edward Dickie
City Manager
North Ogden City
Office: 801-737-2200
Cell: 801-940-1890
From: Ken [mailto:ken.mscity@webpipe.net]
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 12:02 PM
To: Ed Dickie
Subject: Agenda
Mr. Dickie,
I read in the Standard agenda section for the next North Ogden City Council's meeting agenda item # 1 that there is to be discussion concerning the changes on the percent that the city and employee pays for health and dental premiums.
It seems that each time a new council is elected this item comes up, from my 20+ years of being a North Ogden city employee this came up way too often. In most cases when the % changed in favor of the employee, it was done with the concession that it was in lieu of a pay increase.
I hope the new council would give this some serious consideration before making any changes.There are always new council members that think that the North Ogden City employees are paid too much. When I was working for North Ogden, our employees were always behind all of the other local cities in the pay scale and benefits. In the years that I work there we were always losing great employees to other cities for that very reason. I stayed as well as a few others because I enjoyed working in the city. However, if the council is hostile to employees the city can lose valued employees that will result in the loss of needed institution memory and quality service.
Being a North Ogden resident and retired employee of North Ogden City, I feel we need to leave the current system as is. Let's keep our hard working employees of North Ogden happy so that they continue to do a great service to the residents of the city as they do now.
I also understand that there are some council members that would like to see more volunteers to do the work of the city, there is some work in the city that could be done by volunteers as the city has now a great volunteer staff working for the residents to make it a better place to live. However, my expreience is that volunteers have little accountability since they have nothing to lose by stopping their service, and volunteer service wanes with time as volunteers become burnt out. Furthermore, serviing as a volunteer is a thankless job with public criticism that does not exist to the same extend as volunteers in other organizations, , chruches, and non-profits. Volunteers also have limited availability, work schedules, pose a higher liability than employees, do not have the training, and do not know OSHA standards. For example, like the recent snow storm we had how many people could or would leave there work to come and volunteer to plow snow? I would guess that number would be short of the number needed. Volunteers also fixing water main breaks on a cold winter night or understanding the OSHA rules relating cleaing sewer lines or similar is not somthing that the city should rely on. For these and many more reasons and situations we need the employees since a volunteer staff will not work.
I know that in the meeting there will not be any public comment on this issue. This is why I am sending this email in hopes that you foward it to the Mayor an City Council so they know that there are residents out there who are not in favor of any changes to the system.
Ken Martin
348 West 1875 North
North Ogden City
Ken,
Thank you for your email and for your years of service to North Ogden City. I think it's important for our city employees to know that there is no malicious intent or hostility toward them regarding this issue. This review of compensation packages (including pay and benefits) isn't based on past performance or dissatisfaction we have felt. I can't speak for the other members of the council, but my feeling is that this is a matter of course and an obligation that the council has to our residents who pay every dollar of the city employees' compensation. It is our responsibility to ensure that the packages offered are reasonable and, as you mentioned, competitive. I agree that we need to ensure that we are delivering excellent services to the residents of North Ogden.
On your second point regarding the use of volunteers to do the work of city employees. I believe you may be referencing the article in the Standard Examiner about the RAMP funds. My comments to Dave Nordquist were aimed at ensuring the city was matching the funds given back to the city through RAMP in the form of volunteer hours whenever possible. Dave has done a great job getting Eagle Scouts, church and community groups involved in many different projects throughout the city. The dog park, as I understand it, was created solely through volunteer hours--and that's how we matched the RAMP funds (we're required to match the RAMP grants in materials or labor. Volunteer hours count toward the labor matching). I'm certain we're very limited in what volunteers can do in the city from a liability perspective. I certainly don't want volunteers patching the streets or fixing main breaks. These are better left to the professionals--as you stated.
Again, thank you for your perspective and time you took to share your thoughts. I would encourage you to share any further comments or thoughts during the public comments during the first part of the city council meeting tomorrow. Keep in mind that it starts at 6:30 now.
Best regards,
Justin Fawson
City Council Member
North Ogden City
Office: 801-782-7211
Cell: 801-781-0016
From: Ed Dickie
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 12:08 PM
To: Cheryl Stoker; David Hulme; Justin Fawson; Kent Bailey; Richard Harris; Wade Bigler
Subject: FW: Agenda
I was asked to forward this email to mayor and council.
Edward Dickie
City Manager
North Ogden City
Office: 801-737-2200
Cell: 801-940-1890
From: Ken [mailto:ken.mscity@webpipe.net]
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 12:02 PM
To: Ed Dickie
Subject: Agenda
Mr. Dickie,
I read in the Standard agenda section for the next North Ogden City Council's meeting agenda item # 1 that there is to be discussion concerning the changes on the percent that the city and employee pays for health and dental premiums.
It seems that each time a new council is elected this item comes up, from my 20+ years of being a North Ogden city employee this came up way too often. In most cases when the % changed in favor of the employee, it was done with the concession that it was in lieu of a pay increase.
I hope the new council would give this some serious consideration before making any changes.There are always new council members that think that the North Ogden City employees are paid too much. When I was working for North Ogden, our employees were always behind all of the other local cities in the pay scale and benefits. In the years that I work there we were always losing great employees to other cities for that very reason. I stayed as well as a few others because I enjoyed working in the city. However, if the council is hostile to employees the city can lose valued employees that will result in the loss of needed institution memory and quality service.
Being a North Ogden resident and retired employee of North Ogden City, I feel we need to leave the current system as is. Let's keep our hard working employees of North Ogden happy so that they continue to do a great service to the residents of the city as they do now.
I also understand that there are some council members that would like to see more volunteers to do the work of the city, there is some work in the city that could be done by volunteers as the city has now a great volunteer staff working for the residents to make it a better place to live. However, my expreience is that volunteers have little accountability since they have nothing to lose by stopping their service, and volunteer service wanes with time as volunteers become burnt out. Furthermore, serviing as a volunteer is a thankless job with public criticism that does not exist to the same extend as volunteers in other organizations, , chruches, and non-profits. Volunteers also have limited availability, work schedules, pose a higher liability than employees, do not have the training, and do not know OSHA standards. For example, like the recent snow storm we had how many people could or would leave there work to come and volunteer to plow snow? I would guess that number would be short of the number needed. Volunteers also fixing water main breaks on a cold winter night or understanding the OSHA rules relating cleaing sewer lines or similar is not somthing that the city should rely on. For these and many more reasons and situations we need the employees since a volunteer staff will not work.
I know that in the meeting there will not be any public comment on this issue. This is why I am sending this email in hopes that you foward it to the Mayor an City Council so they know that there are residents out there who are not in favor of any changes to the system.
Ken Martin
348 West 1875 North
North Ogden City
Ken,
Thank you for your email and for your years of service to North Ogden City. I think it's important for our city employees to know that there is no malicious intent or hostility toward them regarding this issue. This review of compensation packages (including pay and benefits) isn't based on past performance or dissatisfaction we have felt. I can't speak for the other members of the council, but my feeling is that this is a matter of course and an obligation that the council has to our residents who pay every dollar of the city employees' compensation. It is our responsibility to ensure that the packages offered are reasonable and, as you mentioned, competitive. I agree that we need to ensure that we are delivering excellent services to the residents of North Ogden.
On your second point regarding the use of volunteers to do the work of city employees. I believe you may be referencing the article in the Standard Examiner about the RAMP funds. My comments to Dave Nordquist were aimed at ensuring the city was matching the funds given back to the city through RAMP in the form of volunteer hours whenever possible. Dave has done a great job getting Eagle Scouts, church and community groups involved in many different projects throughout the city. The dog park, as I understand it, was created solely through volunteer hours--and that's how we matched the RAMP funds (we're required to match the RAMP grants in materials or labor. Volunteer hours count toward the labor matching). I'm certain we're very limited in what volunteers can do in the city from a liability perspective. I certainly don't want volunteers patching the streets or fixing main breaks. These are better left to the professionals--as you stated.
Again, thank you for your perspective and time you took to share your thoughts. I would encourage you to share any further comments or thoughts during the public comments during the first part of the city council meeting tomorrow. Keep in mind that it starts at 6:30 now.
Best regards,
Justin Fawson
City Council Member
North Ogden City
Office: 801-782-7211
Cell: 801-781-0016
From: Ed Dickie
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 12:08 PM
To: Cheryl Stoker; David Hulme; Justin Fawson; Kent Bailey; Richard Harris; Wade Bigler
Subject: FW: Agenda
I was asked to forward this email to mayor and council.
Edward Dickie
City Manager
North Ogden City
Office: 801-737-2200
Cell: 801-940-1890
From: Ken [mailto:ken.mscity@webpipe.net]
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 12:02 PM
To: Ed Dickie
Subject: Agenda
Mr. Dickie,
I read in the Standard agenda section for the next North Ogden City Council's meeting agenda item # 1 that there is to be discussion concerning the changes on the percent that the city and employee pays for health and dental premiums.
It seems that each time a new council is elected this item comes up, from my 20+ years of being a North Ogden city employee this came up way too often. In most cases when the % changed in favor of the employee, it was done with the concession that it was in lieu of a pay increase.
I hope the new council would give this some serious consideration before making any changes.There are always new council members that think that the North Ogden City employees are paid too much. When I was working for North Ogden, our employees were always behind all of the other local cities in the pay scale and benefits. In the years that I work there we were always losing great employees to other cities for that very reason. I stayed as well as a few others because I enjoyed working in the city. However, if the council is hostile to employees the city can lose valued employees that will result in the loss of needed institution memory and quality service.
Being a North Ogden resident and retired employee of North Ogden City, I feel we need to leave the current system as is. Let's keep our hard working employees of North Ogden happy so that they continue to do a great service to the residents of the city as they do now.
I also understand that there are some council members that would like to see more volunteers to do the work of the city, there is some work in the city that could be done by volunteers as the city has now a great volunteer staff working for the residents to make it a better place to live. However, my expreience is that volunteers have little accountability since they have nothing to lose by stopping their service, and volunteer service wanes with time as volunteers become burnt out. Furthermore, serviing as a volunteer is a thankless job with public criticism that does not exist to the same extend as volunteers in other organizations, , chruches, and non-profits. Volunteers also have limited availability, work schedules, pose a higher liability than employees, do not have the training, and do not know OSHA standards. For example, like the recent snow storm we had how many people could or would leave there work to come and volunteer to plow snow? I would guess that number would be short of the number needed. Volunteers also fixing water main breaks on a cold winter night or understanding the OSHA rules relating cleaing sewer lines or similar is not somthing that the city should rely on. For these and many more reasons and situations we need the employees since a volunteer staff will not work.
I know that in the meeting there will not be any public comment on this issue. This is why I am sending this email in hopes that you foward it to the Mayor an City Council so they know that there are residents out there who are not in favor of any changes to the system.
Ken Martin
348 West 1875 North
North Ogden City
To hear that a petitioner was hoping employees get fired is new to me and is sad. That's the first I've heard that one. Residents were upset with their elected officials for not listening to them. But hoping staff gets fired is news to me.. I had absolutely nothing to do with that., and I do not want any of them terminated and I have stated this to those who do want some of them terminated. The petition as you know, had nothing to do with employees or elected officials. It was only to allow residents a voice in the complex (which we will build).
Thanks for you many years of good work in our city.
Wade Bigler
________________________________________
From: Ken [ken.mscity@webpipe.net]
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 3:49 PM
To: Justin Fawson; Wade Bigler
Subject: RE: Agenda
Thank you for responding back to me,that means to me that you will listen to the citizens.I to think it is important that compensation packages be look at also but as I stated,it is always the very first item that comes up when a new council is elected,I was on the receiving end of the review several times and after several months there were council persons that called me in to there office and told me that there sole purpose for running for office was to fire me but after seeing that I was doing my job they had no problem with me it was a person that had told them that I was not doing my job probably because I would not let them do something that was against the city ordinances. As far as the citizens who pay for every dollar of the employees wages,I guess that you can say that about ever professions, that the citizens pay all of the wages of everybody,including doctors,teachers,store employees ect. but we just don't have the say in those wages.I for one think we have the best employees in the state working for our great city,there has never been a time that I have called the city that I have not had a response and I don't believe it was because I am a retired employee,I believe it is because they care about the resident's of the city.
On the volunteers issue,I did read the article on the dog park and I do understand that concept as I deal with that here in MSCITY were I work part time we have used the help of volunteers here for the matching funds,what I am referring to was when the petition was going around to have the bond for the public works building placed on the ballot there was a lot of talk from the people that came to my house to sign the petition of doing away with city employees so that we did not need the building and we would use residents to do the work,I know that is not was supposed to be said or happen but it did. I did sign the petition only because I felt it should be voted on for the amount of the bond,I know we need a newer building but there are better choices for the location of it. The right choice if it is to be relocated is at the pit on Mountain road that location has the least impact on the number of residents in the city.
Thank you again for your response back to me.
Ken
________________________________
From: Justin Fawson [mailto:JFawson@nogden.org]
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 2:00 PM
Cc: Ed Dickie; Cheryl Stoker; David Hulme; Kent Bailey; Richard Harris; Wade Bigler
Subject: RE: Agenda
Ken,
Thank you for your email and for your years of service to North Ogden City. I think it's important for our city employees to know that there is no malicious intent or hostility toward them regarding this issue. This review of compensation packages (including pay and benefits) isn't based on past performance or dissatisfaction we have felt. I can't speak for the other members of the council, but my feeling is that this is a matter of course and an obligation that the council has to our residents who pay every dollar of the city employees' compensation. It is our responsibility to ensure that the packages offered are reasonable and, as you mentioned, competitive. I agree that we need to ensure that we are delivering excellent services to the residents of North Ogden.
On your second point regarding the use of volunteers to do the work of city employees. I believe you may be referencing the article in the Standard Examiner about the RAMP funds. My comments to Dave Nordquist were aimed at ensuring the city was matching the funds given back to the city through RAMP in the form of volunteer hours whenever possible. Dave has done a great job getting Eagle Scouts, church and community groups involved in many different projects throughout the city. The dog park, as I understand it, was created solely through volunteer hours--and that's how we matched the RAMP funds (we're required to match the RAMP grants in materials or labor. Volunteer hours count toward the labor matching). I'm certain we're very limited in what volunteers can do in the city from a liability perspective. I certainly don't want volunteers patching the streets or fixing main breaks. These are better left to the professionals--as you stated.
Again, thank you for your perspective and time you took to share your thoughts. I would encourage you to share any further comments or thoughts during the public comments during the first part of the city council meeting tomorrow. Keep in mind that it starts at 6:30 now.
Best regards,
Justin Fawson
City Council Member
North Ogden City
Office: 801-782-7211
Cell: 801-781-0016
________________________________
From: Ed Dickie
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 12:08 PM
To: Cheryl Stoker; David Hulme; Justin Fawson; Kent Bailey; Richard Harris; Wade Bigler
Subject: FW: Agenda
I was asked to forward this email to mayor and council.
Edward Dickie
City Manager
North Ogden City
Office: 801-737-2200
Cell: 801-940-1890
From: Ken [mailto:ken.mscity@webpipe.net]
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 12:02 PM
To: Ed Dickie
Subject: Agenda
Mr. Dickie,
I read in the Standard agenda section for the next North Ogden City Council's meeting agenda item # 1 that there is to be discussion concerning the changes on the percent that the city and employee pays for health and dental premiums.
It seems that each time a new council is elected this item comes up, from my 20+ years of being a North Ogden city employee this came up way too often. In most cases when the % changed in favor of the employee, it was done with the concession that it was in lieu of a pay increase.
I hope the new council would give this some serious consideration before making any changes.There are always new council members that think that the North Ogden City employees are paid too much. When I was working for North Ogden, our employees were always behind all of the other local cities in the pay scale and benefits. In the years that I work there we were always losing great employees to other cities for that very reason. I stayed as well as a few others because I enjoyed working in the city. However, if the council is hostile to employees the city can lose valued employees that will result in the loss of needed institution memory and quality service.
Being a North Ogden resident and retired employee of North Ogden City, I feel we need to leave the current system as is. Let's keep our hard working employees of North Ogden happy so that they continue to do a great service to the residents of the city as they do now.
I also understand that there are some council members that would like to see more volunteers to do the work of the city, there is some work in the city that could be done by volunteers as the city has now a great volunteer staff working for the residents to make it a better place to live. However, my expreience is that volunteers have little accountability since they have nothing to lose by stopping their service, and volunteer service wanes with time as volunteers become burnt out. Furthermore, serviing as a volunteer is a thankless job with public criticism that does not exist to the same extend as volunteers in other organizations, , chruches, and non-profits. Volunteers also have limited availability, work schedules, pose a higher liability than employees, do not have the training, and do not know OSHA standards. For example, like the recent snow storm we had how many people could or would leave there work to come and volunteer to plow snow? I would guess that number would be short of the number needed. Volunteers also fixing water main breaks on a cold winter night or understanding the OSHA rules relating cleaing sewer lines or similar is not somthing that the city should rely on. For these and many more reasons and situations we need the employees since a volunteer staff will not work.
I know that in the meeting there will not be any public comment on this issue. This is why I am sending this email in hopes that you foward it to the Mayor an City Council so they know that there are residents out there who are not in favor of any changes to the system.
Ken Martin
348 West 1875 North
North Ogden City
Thank you for responding back to me,that means to me that you will listen to the citizens.I to think it is important that compensation packages be look at also but as I stated,it is always the very first item that comes up when a new council is elected,I was on the receiving end of the review several times and after several months there were council persons that called me in to there office and told me that there sole purpose for running for office was to fire me but after seeing that I was doing my job they had no problem with me it was a person that had told them that I was not doing my job probably because I would not let them do something that was against the city ordinances. As far as the citizens who pay for every dollar of the employees wages,I guess that you can say that about ever professions, that the citizens pay all of the wages of everybody,including doctors,teachers,store employees ect. but we just don't have the say in those wages.I for one think we have the best employees in the state working for our great city,there has never been a time that I have called the city that I have not had a response and I don't believe it was because I am a retired employee,I believe it is because they care about the resident's of the city.
On the volunteers issue,I did read the article on the dog park and I do understand that concept as I deal with that here in MSCITY were I work part time we have used the help of volunteers here for the matching funds,what I am referring to was when the petition was going around to have the bond for the public works building placed on the ballot there was a lot of talk from the people that came to my house to sign the petition of doing away with city employees so that we did not need the building and we would use residents to do the work,I know that is not was supposed to be said or happen but it did. I did sign the petition only because I felt it should be voted on for the amount of the bond,I know we need a newer building but there are better choices for the location of it. The right choice if it is to be relocated is at the pit on Mountain road that location has the least impact on the number of residents in the city.
Thank you again for your response back to me.
Ken
From: Justin Fawson [mailto:JFawson@nogden.org]
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 2:00 PM
Cc: Ed Dickie; Cheryl Stoker; David Hulme; Kent Bailey; Richard Harris; Wade Bigler
Subject: RE: Agenda
Ken,
Thank you for your email and for your years of service to North Ogden City. I think it's important for our city employees to know that there is no malicious intent or hostility toward them regarding this issue. This review of compensation packages (including pay and benefits) isn't based on past performance or dissatisfaction we have felt. I can't speak for the other members of the council, but my feeling is that this is a matter of course and an obligation that the council has to our residents who pay every dollar of the city employees' compensation. It is our responsibility to ensure that the packages offered are reasonable and, as you mentioned, competitive. I agree that we need to ensure that we are delivering excellent services to the residents of North Ogden.
On your second point regarding the use of volunteers to do the work of city employees. I believe you may be referencing the article in the Standard Examiner about the RAMP funds. My comments to Dave Nordquist were aimed at ensuring the city was matching the funds given back to the city through RAMP in the form of volunteer hours whenever possible. Dave has done a great job getting Eagle Scouts, church and community groups involved in many different projects throughout the city. The dog park, as I understand it, was created solely through volunteer hours--and that's how we matched the RAMP funds (we're required to match the RAMP grants in materials or labor. Volunteer hours count toward the labor matching). I'm certain we're very limited in what volunteers can do in the city from a liability perspective. I certainly don't want volunteers patching the streets or fixing main breaks. These are better left to the professionals--as you stated.
Again, thank you for your perspective and time you took to share your thoughts. I would encourage you to share any further comments or thoughts during the public comments during the first part of the city council meeting tomorrow. Keep in mind that it starts at 6:30 now.
Best regards,
Justin Fawson
City Council Member
North Ogden City
Office: 801-782-7211
Cell: 801-781-0016
From: Ed Dickie
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 12:08 PM
To: Cheryl Stoker; David Hulme; Justin Fawson; Kent Bailey; Richard Harris; Wade Bigler
Subject: FW: Agenda
I was asked to forward this email to mayor and council.
Edward Dickie
City Manager
North Ogden City
Office: 801-737-2200
Cell: 801-940-1890
From: Ken [mailto:ken.mscity@webpipe.net]
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 12:02 PM
To: Ed Dickie
Subject: Agenda
Mr. Dickie,
I read in the Standard agenda section for the next North Ogden City Council's meeting agenda item # 1 that there is to be discussion concerning the changes on the percent that the city and employee pays for health and dental premiums.
It seems that each time a new council is elected this item comes up, from my 20+ years of being a North Ogden city employee this came up way too often. In most cases when the % changed in favor of the employee, it was done with the concession that it was in lieu of a pay increase.
I hope the new council would give this some serious consideration before making any changes.There are always new council members that think that the North Ogden City employees are paid too much. When I was working for North Ogden, our employees were always behind all of the other local cities in the pay scale and benefits. In the years that I work there we were always losing great employees to other cities for that very reason. I stayed as well as a few others because I enjoyed working in the city. However, if the council is hostile to employees the city can lose valued employees that will result in the loss of needed institution memory and quality service.
Being a North Ogden resident and retired employee of North Ogden City, I feel we need to leave the current system as is. Let's keep our hard working employees of North Ogden happy so that they continue to do a great service to the residents of the city as they do now.
I also understand that there are some council members that would like to see more volunteers to do the work of the city, there is some work in the city that could be done by volunteers as the city has now a great volunteer staff working for the residents to make it a better place to live. However, my expreience is that volunteers have little accountability since they have nothing to lose by stopping their service, and volunteer service wanes with time as volunteers become burnt out. Furthermore, serviing as a volunteer is a thankless job with public criticism that does not exist to the same extend as volunteers in other organizations, , chruches, and non-profits. Volunteers also have limited availability, work schedules, pose a higher liability than employees, do not have the training, and do not know OSHA standards. For example, like the recent snow storm we had how many people could or would leave there work to come and volunteer to plow snow? I would guess that number would be short of the number needed. Volunteers also fixing water main breaks on a cold winter night or understanding the OSHA rules relating cleaing sewer lines or similar is not somthing that the city should rely on. For these and many more reasons and situations we need the employees since a volunteer staff will not work.
I know that in the meeting there will not be any public comment on this issue. This is why I am sending this email in hopes that you foward it to the Mayor an City Council so they know that there are residents out there who are not in favor of any changes to the system.
Ken Martin
348 West 1875 North
North Ogden City
I ditto everything Justin said. Our city employees are great.
Wade Bigler
From: Justin Fawson
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 1:59 PM
Cc: Ed Dickie; Cheryl Stoker; David Hulme; Kent Bailey; Richard Harris; Wade Bigler
Subject: RE: Agenda
Ken,
Thank you for your email and for your years of service to North Ogden City. I think it's important for our city employees to know that there is no malicious intent or hostility toward them regarding this issue. This review of compensation packages (including pay and benefits) isn't based on past performance or dissatisfaction we have felt. I can't speak for the other members of the council, but my feeling is that this is a matter of course and an obligation that the council has to our residents who pay every dollar of the city employees' compensation. It is our responsibility to ensure that the packages offered are reasonable and, as you mentioned, competitive. I agree that we need to ensure that we are delivering excellent services to the residents of North Ogden.
On your second point regarding the use of volunteers to do the work of city employees. I believe you may be referencing the article in the Standard Examiner about the RAMP funds. My comments to Dave Nordquist were aimed at ensuring the city was matching the funds given back to the city through RAMP in the form of volunteer hours whenever possible. Dave has done a great job getting Eagle Scouts, church and community groups involved in many different projects throughout the city. The dog park, as I understand it, was created solely through volunteer hours--and that's how we matched the RAMP funds (we're required to match the RAMP grants in materials or labor. Volunteer hours count toward the labor matching). I'm certain we're very limited in what volunteers can do in the city from a liability perspective. I certainly don't want volunteers patching the streets or fixing main breaks. These are better left to the professionals--as you stated.
Again, thank you for your perspective and time you took to share your thoughts. I would encourage you to share any further comments or thoughts during the public comments during the first part of the city council meeting tomorrow. Keep in mind that it starts at 6:30 now.
Best regards,
Justin Fawson
City Council Member
North Ogden City
Office: 801-782-7211
Cell: 801-781-0016
From: Ed Dickie
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 12:08 PM
To: Cheryl Stoker; David Hulme; Justin Fawson; Kent Bailey; Richard Harris; Wade Bigler
Subject: FW: Agenda
I was asked to forward this email to mayor and council.
Edward Dickie
City Manager
North Ogden City
Office: 801-737-2200
Cell: 801-940-1890
From: Ken [mailto:ken.mscity@webpipe.net]
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 12:02 PM
To: Ed Dickie
Subject: Agenda
Mr. Dickie,
I read in the Standard agenda section for the next North Ogden City Council's meeting agenda item # 1 that there is to be discussion concerning the changes on the percent that the city and employee pays for health and dental premiums.
It seems that each time a new council is elected this item comes up, from my 20+ years of being a North Ogden city employee this came up way too often. In most cases when the % changed in favor of the employee, it was done with the concession that it was in lieu of a pay increase.
I hope the new council would give this some serious consideration before making any changes.There are always new council members that think that the North Ogden City employees are paid too much. When I was working for North Ogden, our employees were always behind all of the other local cities in the pay scale and benefits. In the years that I work there we were always losing great employees to other cities for that very reason. I stayed as well as a few others because I enjoyed working in the city. However, if the council is hostile to employees the city can lose valued employees that will result in the loss of needed institution memory and quality service.
Being a North Ogden resident and retired employee of North Ogden City, I feel we need to leave the current system as is. Let's keep our hard working employees of North Ogden happy so that they continue to do a great service to the residents of the city as they do now.
I also understand that there are some council members that would like to see more volunteers to do the work of the city, there is some work in the city that could be done by volunteers as the city has now a great volunteer staff working for the residents to make it a better place to live. However, my expreience is that volunteers have little accountability since they have nothing to lose by stopping their service, and volunteer service wanes with time as volunteers become burnt out. Furthermore, serviing as a volunteer is a thankless job with public criticism that does not exist to the same extend as volunteers in other organizations, , chruches, and non-profits. Volunteers also have limited availability, work schedules, pose a higher liability than employees, do not have the training, and do not know OSHA standards. For example, like the recent snow storm we had how many people could or would leave there work to come and volunteer to plow snow? I would guess that number would be short of the number needed. Volunteers also fixing water main breaks on a cold winter night or understanding the OSHA rules relating cleaing sewer lines or similar is not somthing that the city should rely on. For these and many more reasons and situations we need the employees since a volunteer staff will not work.
I know that in the meeting there will not be any public comment on this issue. This is why I am sending this email in hopes that you foward it to the Mayor an City Council so they know that there are residents out there who are not in favor of any changes to the system.
Ken Martin
348 West 1875 North
North Ogden City
Ken,
Thank you for your email and for your years of service to North Ogden City. I think it's important for our city employees to know that there is no malicious intent or hostility toward them regarding this issue. This review of compensation packages (including pay and benefits) isn't based on past performance or dissatisfaction we have felt. I can't speak for the other members of the council, but my feeling is that this is a matter of course and an obligation that the council has to our residents who pay every dollar of the city employees' compensation. It is our responsibility to ensure that the packages offered are reasonable and, as you mentioned, competitive. I agree that we need to ensure that we are delivering excellent services to the residents of North Ogden.
On your second point regarding the use of volunteers to do the work of city employees. I believe you may be referencing the article in the Standard Examiner about the RAMP funds. My comments to Dave Nordquist were aimed at ensuring the city was matching the funds given back to the city through RAMP in the form of volunteer hours whenever possible. Dave has done a great job getting Eagle Scouts, church and community groups involved in many different projects throughout the city. The dog park, as I understand it, was created solely through volunteer hours--and that's how we matched the RAMP funds (we're required to match the RAMP grants in materials or labor. Volunteer hours count toward the labor matching). I'm certain we're very limited in what volunteers can do in the city from a liability perspective. I certainly don't want volunteers patching the streets or fixing main breaks. These are better left to the professionals--as you stated.
Again, thank you for your perspective and time you took to share your thoughts. I would encourage you to share any further comments or thoughts during the public comments during the first part of the city council meeting tomorrow. Keep in mind that it starts at 6:30 now.
Best regards,
Justin Fawson
City Council Member
North Ogden City
Office: 801-782-7211
Cell: 801-781-0016
From: Ed Dickie
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 12:08 PM
To: Cheryl Stoker; David Hulme; Justin Fawson; Kent Bailey; Richard Harris; Wade Bigler
Subject: FW: Agenda
I was asked to forward this email to mayor and council.
Edward Dickie
City Manager
North Ogden City
Office: 801-737-2200
Cell: 801-940-1890
From: Ken [mailto:ken.mscity@webpipe.net]
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 12:02 PM
To: Ed Dickie
Subject: Agenda
Mr. Dickie,
I read in the Standard agenda section for the next North Ogden City Council's meeting agenda item # 1 that there is to be discussion concerning the changes on the percent that the city and employee pays for health and dental premiums.
It seems that each time a new council is elected this item comes up, from my 20+ years of being a North Ogden city employee this came up way too often. In most cases when the % changed in favor of the employee, it was done with the concession that it was in lieu of a pay increase.
I hope the new council would give this some serious consideration before making any changes.There are always new council members that think that the North Ogden City employees are paid too much. When I was working for North Ogden, our employees were always behind all of the other local cities in the pay scale and benefits. In the years that I work there we were always losing great employees to other cities for that very reason. I stayed as well as a few others because I enjoyed working in the city. However, if the council is hostile to employees the city can lose valued employees that will result in the loss of needed institution memory and quality service.
Being a North Ogden resident and retired employee of North Ogden City, I feel we need to leave the current system as is. Let's keep our hard working employees of North Ogden happy so that they continue to do a great service to the residents of the city as they do now.
I also understand that there are some council members that would like to see more volunteers to do the work of the city, there is some work in the city that could be done by volunteers as the city has now a great volunteer staff working for the residents to make it a better place to live. However, my expreience is that volunteers have little accountability since they have nothing to lose by stopping their service, and volunteer service wanes with time as volunteers become burnt out. Furthermore, serviing as a volunteer is a thankless job with public criticism that does not exist to the same extend as volunteers in other organizations, , chruches, and non-profits. Volunteers also have limited availability, work schedules, pose a higher liability than employees, do not have the training, and do not know OSHA standards. For example, like the recent snow storm we had how many people could or would leave there work to come and volunteer to plow snow? I would guess that number would be short of the number needed. Volunteers also fixing water main breaks on a cold winter night or understanding the OSHA rules relating cleaing sewer lines or similar is not somthing that the city should rely on. For these and many more reasons and situations we need the employees since a volunteer staff will not work.
I know that in the meeting there will not be any public comment on this issue. This is why I am sending this email in hopes that you foward it to the Mayor an City Council so they know that there are residents out there who are not in favor of any changes to the system.
Ken Martin
348 West 1875 North
North Ogden City
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