The Standard-Examiner requested all email correspondence between the North Ogden mayor, city council and staff members, between Jan. 12-Jan. 30, regarding the subject of employee benefits.
These emails are presented as received from the city, may include duplicate messages and are not necessarily in chronological order.
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From: Annette Spendlove <aspend@nogden.org>
To: "rtrotter16@yahoo.com" <rtrotter16@yahoo.com>
Cc: Ed Dickie <edickie@nogden.org>; Dave Carlson <DCarlson@nogden.org>; Cheryl Stoker <CStoker@nogden.org>; David Hulme <DHulme@nogden.org>; Justin Fawson <JFawson@nogden.org>; Kent Bailey <KBailey@nogden.org>; Richard Harris <rharris@nogden.org>; Wade Bigler <wbigler@nogden.org>
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 2:27 PM
Subject: GRAMA request
S. Annette Spendlove, MMC
City Recorder/HR Director
505 E. 2600 N.
North Ogden, UT 84414
801-737-9830 desk
801-430-2928 cell
801-737-2219 fax
Ed, Mayor, Annette,
Regarding the agenda:
1. I am actually #14, and Justin is #15. You have our names mixed up on those two items.
2. I had also requested to be put on the agenda to discuss disproportionate fees, and it is not on the agenda.
Please see my email below when I sent these requests last Tuesday, along with Ed's response back to me.
Wade
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From: Ed Dickie
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 8:59 AM
To: Wade Bigler; Richard Harris; Kent Bailey; Justin Fawson; David Hulme; Cheryl Stoker
Subject: RE: Council mtg agenda
We can do that.
Thanks,
Ed
Edward Dickie
City Manager
North Ogden City
Office: 801-737-2200
Cell: 801-940-1890
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From: Wade Bigler
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 8:51 AM
To: Richard Harris; Kent Bailey; Justin Fawson; David Hulme; Cheryl Stoker
Cc: Ed Dickie
Subject: Council mtg agenda
I would like the following items on the next council mtg agenda, Jan. 24.
1. City employee medical benefits: discuss and vote.
I would like for Debbie to send via email to council how much savings there would be for the next 12 months to lower city employee medical benefits from 90%, to 80% and 70%. Please send these two numbers to council in the packet.
2. Discuss and vote to alter city procedure that currently only allows two council members to serve on a committee. Vote to allow any council member to serve on a committee that desires to do so.
3. Discuss disproportionate fees for businesses.
4. Discuss an awning issue that residents Mr. & Mrs. DeLasilva have. Allow Mr. DeLasilva to explain his dilemma.
Thanks,
Wade
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From: Annette Spendlove
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 5:24 PM
To: Cheryl Stoker; David Hulme; Justin Fawson; Kent Bailey; Richard Harris; Wade Bigler
Subject: City Council Packet
The Council packet for the January 24th meeting are on the website. Debbie will be sending information for items #7 and #11. If you have any corrections to the minutes please let me know before Tuesday.
Have a great weekend.
Annette
Wade is right - he should be discussing Item 14, and Justin should be discussing Item 15. I will make that correction during the meeting.
As items were added to the agenda and it became longer and longer, hence increasing the meeting time to longer and longer, I placed the disproportionate fee item on the February 14 agenda. So, it's not been deleted or ignored, just postponed.
Rich
Richard G. Harris
Mayor, North Ogden City
Mobile: 801-940-1882
Office: 801-782-7211
--Original Message
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From: Wade Bigler
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:05 PM
To: Annette Spendlove; Cheryl Stoker; David Hulme; Justin Fawson; Kent Bailey; Richard Harris; Ed Dickie
Subject: RE: City Council Packet
Ed, Mayor, Annette,
Regarding the agenda:
1. I am actually #14, and Justin is #15. You have our names mixed up on those two items.
2. I had also requested to be put on the agenda to discuss disproportionate fees, and it is not on the agenda.
Please see my email below when I sent these requests last Tuesday, along with Ed's response back to me.
Wade
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From: Ed Dickie
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 8:59 AM
To: Wade Bigler; Richard Harris; Kent Bailey; Justin Fawson; David Hulme; Cheryl Stoker
Subject: RE: Council mtg agenda
We can do that.
Thanks,
Ed
Edward Dickie
City Manager
North Ogden City
Office: 801-737-2200
Cell: 801-940-1890
--Original Message
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From: Wade Bigler
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 8:51 AM
To: Richard Harris; Kent Bailey; Justin Fawson; David Hulme; Cheryl Stoker
Cc: Ed Dickie
Subject: Council mtg agenda
I would like the following items on the next council mtg agenda, Jan. 24.
1. City employee medical benefits: discuss and vote.
I would like for Debbie to send via email to council how much savings there would be for the next 12 months to lower city employee medical benefits from 90%, to 80% and 70%. Please send these two numbers to council in the packet.
2. Discuss and vote to alter city procedure that currently only allows two council members to serve on a committee. Vote to allow any council member to serve on a committee that desires to do so.
3. Discuss disproportionate fees for businesses.
4. Discuss an awning issue that residents Mr. & Mrs. DeLasilva have. Allow Mr. DeLasilva to explain his dilemma.
Thanks,
Wade
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From: Annette Spendlove
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 5:24 PM
To: Cheryl Stoker; David Hulme; Justin Fawson; Kent Bailey; Richard Harris; Wade Bigler
Subject: City Council Packet
The Council packet for the January 24th meeting are on the website. Debbie will be sending information for items #7 and #11. If you have any corrections to the minutes please let me know before Tuesday.
Have a great weekend.
Annette
Ed, Mayor, Annette,
Regarding the agenda:
1. I am actually #14, and Justin is #15. You have our names mixed up on those two items.
2. I had also requested to be put on the agenda to discuss disproportionate fees, and it is not on the agenda.
Please see my email below when I sent these requests last Tuesday, along with Ed's response back to me.
Wade
________________________________________
From: Ed Dickie
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 8:59 AM
To: Wade Bigler; Richard Harris; Kent Bailey; Justin Fawson; David Hulme; Cheryl Stoker
Subject: RE: Council mtg agenda
We can do that.
Thanks,
Ed
Edward Dickie
City Manager
North Ogden City
Office: 801-737-2200
Cell: 801-940-1890
--Original Message
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From: Wade Bigler
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 8:51 AM
To: Richard Harris; Kent Bailey; Justin Fawson; David Hulme; Cheryl Stoker
Cc: Ed Dickie
Subject: Council mtg agenda
I would like the following items on the next council mtg agenda, Jan. 24.
1. City employee medical benefits: discuss and vote.
I would like for Debbie to send via email to council how much savings there would be for the next 12 months to lower city employee medical benefits from 90%, to 80% and 70%. Please send these two numbers to council in the packet.
2. Discuss and vote to alter city procedure that currently only allows two council members to serve on a committee. Vote to allow any council member to serve on a committee that desires to do so.
3. Discuss disproportionate fees for businesses.
4. Discuss an awning issue that residents Mr. & Mrs. DeLasilva have. Allow Mr. DeLasilva to explain his dilemma.
Thanks,
Wade
________________________________________
From: Annette Spendlove
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 5:24 PM
To: Cheryl Stoker; David Hulme; Justin Fawson; Kent Bailey; Richard Harris; Wade Bigler
Subject: City Council Packet
The Council packet for the January 24th meeting are on the website. Debbie will be sending information for items #7 and #11. If you have any corrections to the minutes please let me know before Tuesday.
Have a great weekend.
Annette
I would like this agenda corrected on the agenda for tonight as well as on the website for the packet.
I also want Annette's memorandum to item #14 corrected for the website packet. It says it was requested by "a council member". Why is no name included, but then a different council member's name is included later in the same memorandum? I will always take responsibility for what I put on the agenda, so why my name is not on it I don't know. The maximum of 2 council members being changed/removed is the reason I put this on the agenda. In fairness to Justin, he should not be held responsible for this item by having his name on this memorandum since he is not the one responsible for putting it on the agenda. Each of us will be responsible for what we put on each agenda.
Thanks,
Wade
By the way, FYI: I am NOT putting a motion forward tonight to change your medical benefits. That is not my intent. Some employees it appears may have jumped to inaccurate conclusions by making assumptions.
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From: Richard Harris
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:26 PM
To: Wade Bigler; Annette Spendlove; Cheryl Stoker; David Hulme; Justin Fawson; Kent Bailey; Ed Dickie
Subject: RE: City Council Packet
Wade is right - he should be discussing Item 14, and Justin should be discussing Item 15. I will make that correction during the meeting.
As items were added to the agenda and it became longer and longer, hence increasing the meeting time to longer and longer, I placed the disproportionate fee item on the February 14 agenda. So, it's not been deleted or ignored, just postponed.
Rich
Richard G. Harris
Mayor, North Ogden City
Mobile: 801-940-1882
Office: 801-782-7211
--Original Message
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From: Wade Bigler
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:05 PM
To: Annette Spendlove; Cheryl Stoker; David Hulme; Justin Fawson; Kent Bailey; Richard Harris; Ed Dickie
Subject: RE: City Council Packet
Ed, Mayor, Annette,
Regarding the agenda:
1. I am actually #14, and Justin is #15. You have our names mixed up on those two items.
2. I had also requested to be put on the agenda to discuss disproportionate fees, and it is not on the agenda.
Please see my email below when I sent these requests last Tuesday, along with Ed's response back to me.
Wade
________________________________________
From: Ed Dickie
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 8:59 AM
To: Wade Bigler; Richard Harris; Kent Bailey; Justin Fawson; David Hulme; Cheryl Stoker
Subject: RE: Council mtg agenda
We can do that.
Thanks,
Ed
Edward Dickie
City Manager
North Ogden City
Office: 801-737-2200
Cell: 801-940-1890
--Original Message
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From: Wade Bigler
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 8:51 AM
To: Richard Harris; Kent Bailey; Justin Fawson; David Hulme; Cheryl Stoker
Cc: Ed Dickie
Subject: Council mtg agenda
I would like the following items on the next council mtg agenda, Jan. 24.
1. City employee medical benefits: discuss and vote.
I would like for Debbie to send via email to council how much savings there would be for the next 12 months to lower city employee medical benefits from 90%, to 80% and 70%. Please send these two numbers to council in the packet.
2. Discuss and vote to alter city procedure that currently only allows two council members to serve on a committee. Vote to allow any council member to serve on a committee that desires to do so.
3. Discuss disproportionate fees for businesses.
4. Discuss an awning issue that residents Mr. & Mrs. DeLasilva have. Allow Mr. DeLasilva to explain his dilemma.
Thanks,
Wade
________________________________________
From: Annette Spendlove
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 5:24 PM
To: Cheryl Stoker; David Hulme; Justin Fawson; Kent Bailey; Richard Harris; Wade Bigler
Subject: City Council Packet
The Council packet for the January 24th meeting are on the website. Debbie will be sending information for items #7 and #11. If you have any corrections to the minutes please let me know before Tuesday.
Have a great weekend.
Annette
As part of the discussion on committees, I would appreciate it if staff would come prepared to advise us on the Utah Open & Public Meetings Act and if there is anything we need to do to comply with that if we have three or more council people on a committee--are we in compliance just for noticing and holding open meetings of that committee, or do we need to advertise that it's now a City Council meeting; would we need to only have two that are voting members and the others in an advisory capacity only; is there a list of things that if we keep committee business to that we will still be in compliance, etc. I've been reading it (http://le.utah.gov/~code/TITLE52/52_04.htm) and none of those questions are clear to me.
thanks,
Dave Hulme
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From: Ed Dickie
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 8:59 AM
To: Wade Bigler; Richard Harris; Kent Bailey; Justin Fawson; David Hulme; Cheryl Stoker
Subject: RE: Council mtg agenda
We can do that.
Thanks,
Ed
Edward Dickie
City Manager
North Ogden City
Office: 801-737-2200
Cell: 801-940-1890
--Original Message
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From: Wade Bigler
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 8:51 AM
To: Richard Harris; Kent Bailey; Justin Fawson; David Hulme; Cheryl Stoker
Cc: Ed Dickie
Subject: Council mtg agenda
I would like the following items on the next council mtg agenda, Jan. 24.
1. City employee medical benefits: discuss and vote.
I would like for Debbie to send via email to council how much savings there would be for the next 12 months to lower city employee medical benefits from 90%, to 80% and 70%. Please send these two numbers to council in the packet.
2. Discuss and vote to alter city procedure that currently only allows two council members to serve on a committee. Vote to allow any council member to serve on a committee that desires to do so.
3. Discuss disproportionate fees for businesses.
4. Discuss an awning issue that residents Mr. & Mrs. DeLasilva have. Allow Mr. DeLasilva to explain his dilemma.
Thanks,
Wade
We can do that.
Thanks,
Ed
Edward Dickie
City Manager
North Ogden City
Office: 801-737-2200
Cell: 801-940-1890
--Original Message
--
From: Wade Bigler
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 8:51 AM
To: Richard Harris; Kent Bailey; Justin Fawson; David Hulme; Cheryl Stoker
Cc: Ed Dickie
Subject: Council mtg agenda
I would like the following items on the next council mtg agenda, Jan. 24.
1. City employee medical benefits: discuss and vote.
I would like for Debbie to send via email to council how much savings there would be for the next 12 months to lower city employee medical benefits from 90%, to 80% and 70%. Please send these two numbers to council in the packet.
2. Discuss and vote to alter city procedure that currently only allows two council members to serve on a committee. Vote to allow any council member to serve on a committee that desires to do so.
3. Discuss disproportionate fees for businesses.
4. Discuss an awning issue that residents Mr. & Mrs. DeLasilva have. Allow Mr. DeLasilva to explain his dilemma.
Thanks,
Wade
As part of the discussion on committees, I would appreciate it if staff would come prepared to advise us on the Utah Open & Public Meetings Act and if there is anything we need to do to comply with that if we have three or more council people on a committee--are we in compliance just for noticing and holding open meetings of that committee, or do we need to advertise that it's now a City Council meeting; would we need to only have two that are voting members and the others in an advisory capacity only; is there a list of things that if we keep committee business to that we will still be in compliance, etc. I've been reading it (http://le.utah.gov/~code/TITLE52/52_04.htm) and none of those questions are clear to me.
thanks,
Dave Hulme
________________________________________
From: Ed Dickie
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 8:59 AM
To: Wade Bigler; Richard Harris; Kent Bailey; Justin Fawson; David Hulme; Cheryl Stoker
Subject: RE: Council mtg agenda
We can do that.
Thanks,
Ed
Edward Dickie
City Manager
North Ogden City
Office: 801-737-2200
Cell: 801-940-1890
--Original Message
--
From: Wade Bigler
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 8:51 AM
To: Richard Harris; Kent Bailey; Justin Fawson; David Hulme; Cheryl Stoker
Cc: Ed Dickie
Subject: Council mtg agenda
I would like the following items on the next council mtg agenda, Jan. 24.
1. City employee medical benefits: discuss and vote.
I would like for Debbie to send via email to council how much savings there would be for the next 12 months to lower city employee medical benefits from 90%, to 80% and 70%. Please send these two numbers to council in the packet.
2. Discuss and vote to alter city procedure that currently only allows two council members to serve on a committee. Vote to allow any council member to serve on a committee that desires to do so.
3. Discuss disproportionate fees for businesses.
4. Discuss an awning issue that residents Mr. & Mrs. DeLasilva have. Allow Mr. DeLasilva to explain his dilemma.
Thanks,
Wade
We can do that.
Thanks,
Ed
Edward Dickie
City Manager
North Ogden City
Office: 801-737-2200
Cell: 801-940-1890
--Original Message
--
From: Wade Bigler
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 8:51 AM
To: Richard Harris; Kent Bailey; Justin Fawson; David Hulme; Cheryl Stoker
Cc: Ed Dickie
Subject: Council mtg agenda
I would like the following items on the next council mtg agenda, Jan. 24.
1. City employee medical benefits: discuss and vote.
I would like for Debbie to send via email to council how much savings there would be for the next 12 months to lower city employee medical benefits from 90%, to 80% and 70%. Please send these two numbers to council in the packet.
2. Discuss and vote to alter city procedure that currently only allows two council members to serve on a committee. Vote to allow any council member to serve on a committee that desires to do so.
3. Discuss disproportionate fees for businesses.
4. Discuss an awning issue that residents Mr. & Mrs. DeLasilva have. Allow Mr. DeLasilva to explain his dilemma.
Thanks,
Wade
I've spoken with the mayor about this. We are in compliance.
You might be interested in a Standard Examiner article in I believe yesterday's newspaper. It gave thumbs up or down to several things. One thumbs down was to cities having a couple of city council members serve on committees, rather than allowing a quorum to be present. It says that if a quorum is allowed to be present then it ensures compliance with the Open & Public Meetings Act. I agree.
Wade
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From: David Hulme
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 9:07 AM
To: Ed Dickie; Wade Bigler; Richard Harris; Kent Bailey; Justin Fawson; Cheryl Stoker
Subject: RE: Council mtg agenda
As part of the discussion on committees, I would appreciate it if staff would come prepared to advise us on the Utah Open & Public Meetings Act and if there is anything we need to do to comply with that if we have three or more council people on a committee--are we in compliance just for noticing and holding open meetings of that committee, or do we need to advertise that it's now a City Council meeting; would we need to only have two that are voting members and the others in an advisory capacity only; is there a list of things that if we keep committee business to that we will still be in compliance, etc. I've been reading it (http://le.utah.gov/~code/TITLE52/52_04.htm) and none of those questions are clear to me.
thanks,
Dave Hulme
________________________________________
From: Ed Dickie
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 8:59 AM
To: Wade Bigler; Richard Harris; Kent Bailey; Justin Fawson; David Hulme; Cheryl Stoker
Subject: RE: Council mtg agenda
We can do that.
Thanks,
Ed
Edward Dickie
City Manager
North Ogden City
Office: 801-737-2200
Cell: 801-940-1890
--Original Message
--
From: Wade Bigler
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 8:51 AM
To: Richard Harris; Kent Bailey; Justin Fawson; David Hulme; Cheryl Stoker
Cc: Ed Dickie
Subject: Council mtg agenda
I would like the following items on the next council mtg agenda, Jan. 24.
1. City employee medical benefits: discuss and vote.
I would like for Debbie to send via email to council how much savings there would be for the next 12 months to lower city employee medical benefits from 90%, to 80% and 70%. Please send these two numbers to council in the packet.
2. Discuss and vote to alter city procedure that currently only allows two council members to serve on a committee. Vote to allow any council member to serve on a committee that desires to do so.
3. Discuss disproportionate fees for businesses.
4. Discuss an awning issue that residents Mr. & Mrs. DeLasilva have. Allow Mr. DeLasilva to explain his dilemma.
Thanks,
Wade
I've spoken with the mayor about this. We are in compliance.
You might be interested in a Standard Examiner article in I believe yesterday's newspaper. It gave thumbs up or down to several things. One thumbs down was to cities having a couple of city council members serve on committees, rather than allowing a quorum to be present. It says that if a quorum is allowed to be present then it ensures compliance with the Open & Public Meetings Act. I agree.
Wade
________________________________________
From: David Hulme
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 9:07 AM
To: Ed Dickie; Wade Bigler; Richard Harris; Kent Bailey; Justin Fawson; Cheryl Stoker
Subject: RE: Council mtg agenda
As part of the discussion on committees, I would appreciate it if staff would come prepared to advise us on the Utah Open & Public Meetings Act and if there is anything we need to do to comply with that if we have three or more council people on a committee--are we in compliance just for noticing and holding open meetings of that committee, or do we need to advertise that it's now a City Council meeting; would we need to only have two that are voting members and the others in an advisory capacity only; is there a list of things that if we keep committee business to that we will still be in compliance, etc. I've been reading it (http://le.utah.gov/~code/TITLE52/52_04.htm) and none of those questions are clear to me.
thanks,
Dave Hulme
________________________________________
From: Ed Dickie
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 8:59 AM
To: Wade Bigler; Richard Harris; Kent Bailey; Justin Fawson; David Hulme; Cheryl Stoker
Subject: RE: Council mtg agenda
We can do that.
Thanks,
Ed
Edward Dickie
City Manager
North Ogden City
Office: 801-737-2200
Cell: 801-940-1890
--Original Message
--
From: Wade Bigler
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 8:51 AM
To: Richard Harris; Kent Bailey; Justin Fawson; David Hulme; Cheryl Stoker
Cc: Ed Dickie
Subject: Council mtg agenda
I would like the following items on the next council mtg agenda, Jan. 24.
1. City employee medical benefits: discuss and vote.
I would like for Debbie to send via email to council how much savings there would be for the next 12 months to lower city employee medical benefits from 90%, to 80% and 70%. Please send these two numbers to council in the packet.
2. Discuss and vote to alter city procedure that currently only allows two council members to serve on a committee. Vote to allow any council member to serve on a committee that desires to do so.
3. Discuss disproportionate fees for businesses.
4. Discuss an awning issue that residents Mr. & Mrs. DeLasilva have. Allow Mr. DeLasilva to explain his dilemma.
Thanks,
Wade
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