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PDF versionOGDEN -- A state lawmaker is questioning whether city council candidate David Phipps has met residency requirements allowing him to legally seek office.
Rep. Neil Hansen, D-Ogden, said Thursday he has received records from the Salt Lake County Elections Division indicating Phipps, who is running for the council's At-Large Seat B post, may not be in compliance with a state law that requires him to live in Ogden for 12 consecutive months prior to the upcoming Nov. 3 general election.
"There is some dishonesty about his residency and there needs to be some accountability," Hansen said, adding he obtained the records on behalf of a constituent whom he declined to identify.
Phipps said in an e-mail Thursday to the Standard-Examiner he has complied with residency requirements, and he provided the newspaper with a lease-purchase option contract signed on Sept. 27, 2008, for his home on 25th Street.
City Recorder Cindi Mansell said she has spoken with officials from the lieutenant governor's office, which oversees state election law, and has been told there is little that can be done about Phipps' eligibility because the deadline for filing a challenge passed July 20.
However, if Phipps wins the election, it is possible that voters could challenge the result, Mansell said.
The Standard-Examiner, using the state's Government Records Management Act, obtained the same documents that Hansen received.
The documents show that Phipps lived on East Ramona Avenue in Salt Lake City when he voted in the Nov. 4, 2008, general election in Salt Lake County.
Phipps' Salt Lake County voter registration was cancelled on July 21 because he had registered by mail to vote in Weber County and listed his address as 1083 25th St. in Ogden, records show.
Phipps said after moving to Ogden a month after signing the contract he attempted to switch his voter registration but failed to meet the deadline to register for the 2008 election.
He added that Weber County election officials did not inform him he could have voted provisionally at an Ogden polling place.
As a result, Phipps said, he voted in the 2008 election in Salt Lake County, where he was still registered.
Phipps said his residential eligibility to run for city council has been vetted by Cindi Mansell, who is Ogden's recorder, the city attorney's office and the office of the lieutenant governor.
"They are also very clear when it comes to intent for residency," Phipps wrote in the e-mail. "My belongings were moved into the home and we didn't sleep there while we were painting because my wife was seven months pregnant. We were attending church here and had our church records moved, we trick-or-treated here for Halloween, and this is where I would come home to after work."
Hansen still questions whether Phipps moved into his home in October 2008.
Hansen said Phipps, who lives a block away from him, began living in the house in early December 2008.
In addition, Hansen said, an online blog posted by Phipps' wife, Janelle, indicates she and her husband and children planned to move into their home on Dec. 9, 2008.
Phipps said questions about his residency smack of dirty politics.
"It is a shame that this suddenly comes up two weeks before the election, though not surprising," he said in the e-mail. "The opposition already knows that they don't have a leg to stand on. I know that they've spoken to authorities on the issue and they know they won't win, but that doesn't matter to them. The opposition is trying not to beat me on the issues on election day, but rather disenfranchise Ogden voters by trying to get my name off of the ballot on a technicality -- a false one for that matter."
Bart E. Blair, who is running against Phipps, said Thursday he's isn't involved in pursuing elgibility issues involving Phipps.
"I'm just focused on running my own campaign and not concerned about his," he said.
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On the Net:
PDF: David Phipps' Voting History
PDF: David Phipps' Ogden Lease
Related link: This article is a topic of discussion at Weber County Forum.
May babbles on
This was posted on the other thread about the coming bent can store article where "May" has posted some new pearls of idiocy. Thought I would bring them over here in case you weren't following that thread. Well, "May", the faux personality inventented
by, and being foisted on those who read these comments, by the morally
and artisticaly challenged Goddfreyites is back in full blather force!
It appears "she" has some new script writers on board and they are
expanding on and cranking out the BS full tilt! Cheezy stuff, but
prolific.The interesting thing about amateur propagandist's with
no talent nor ethics is that they get so carried away with their own
cleaverness and their blather soon gets way out of character with the
personality they initially created. That is what has happened with
these bozo's that are the grand authors of our fictitious "May". May
no longer reads any thing like the nice concerned senior citizen she
was when first appearing here. In a few short days she has turned into
a strident purveyor of babble with absolutely no substance or
supporting evidence to back her outrageous and quite stupid points.
The very most ridiculous is her devining Mrs. VanHooser's inner
thoughts and intentions with the accusation of SVH running for a two
year term and subscribing very wicked intentions in so doing. Pretty childish stuff for sure."Her" constant fawning over Mr. Phipps' supposed genius is
a pretty good indicator that this drivel is coming from his camp, which
of course fits nicely with his known penchant for fraud.Who ever they are, they are ethically and artistically challenged people putting out real bush league stuff.
One seriously doubts the
One seriously doubts the purported persona when this supposed woman of 71 years of age types in CAPS LOCK for emphasis, and this after 31 years in a law office. It is a trait of gen x and later, not early-boomers, to misuse punctuation thus. We call strait-up shenanigans, granny.
What sums it up for me (quantifiable facts)
Bart Blair:· Owns a business in central Ogden that in the last decade underwent a significant expansion at his own personal financial risk. Despite 30th Street reconstruction (that went on...and on...) and soaring gas prices there business seems to be managed very successfully. The landscaping is perfectly manicured, the store is clean, the lobby in the service center and bays are carefully maintained. Business skills are business skills - no matter what the business is, to be successful you need to carefully manage costs, inventory and customer needs to make it profitable. · Has a business that donates to the charities I support (especially the schools where his mother is a teacher). I've seen their business name on the school marquees in previous years and that's part of why I keep taking my car there and do business with them. · During the debates agreed that development of condominiums on Ogden’s bench should be “OFF the tableâ€.· Owns a home in Ogden and has children who attend the public schools.· Isn’t as articulate at public speaking as Phipps – but listens to and answers a question directly and honestly.· Is backed by local money all easily identified in his campaign disclosure.David Phipps:· Moved his business from Salt Lake to LAYTON one year ago. Did not choose to move his business to Weber County or Ogden City. While he’s repeatedly said he’s in “the business of brining business to Ogden,†he wasn’t convincing enough to entice himself to make the investment here. How effective does and will that make him at brining other business to Ogden. He has no personal experience of owning and operating a business here.· According to his personal blog, did not move into his rental in Ogden until December 2008 (less than one year ago).· The yard at his rental property and weeds in his flowerbed look terrible (the lawn is brown and not because of the season). While I currently own a home in Ogden I’ve rented too. For those of us on Pineview (Phipps is), water is free. It just takes a personal investment to care about what the home you live in looks like. Despite $17,000 of free local and federal grants for purchasing a home and rock-bottom interest rates, this real estate agent has decided it’s not the right time to buy.· Is the only candidate currently running for office that during the debates stated he would NOT take developing the trail land around Mt. Ogden Park "off the table".· An effective public speaker who can talk the ass off of a baboon and go on about absolutely everything – except the direct question he was asked if he thinks it might cost him votes. · Backed primarily by out-of-town funds from acronym-labeled companies difficult to trace and identify.
The real May Smith
Umm, I was kind of thinking that someone so supportive of Phipps could only be his mother. Whomever 'May' is she/he must be amazing - 31 years in a law office, teaching debate to 4th graders (I actually laughed out loud on that one), married to a federal accountant and has some connection to Florida. Although 'May' used the word wicked, claiming it to be a southern term rather than the Boston word that it typically is - you know, Bart Blair will be a wicked good councilman, or May Smith is a wicked good storyteller. But it is sad for flatlander that 'May' is just not capable of answering his questions of David 'I don't know where I live' Phipps.
Blake Fowers Morphs into May Smith
I hope everyone noticed that the "damaged goods" Blake Fowers suddenly quit posting here at almost the exact same time that "May Smith" suddenly showed up here with all the same lame Godfreyite cliches.Coincidence?I think not.Too funny!
up in the night
It is Obvious that May Smith is UP IN THE NIGHT - haha - look at the time stamp of her last post. 3:18 a.m. I wonder if she gets night differential pay for that ....
May is either phony or stupid
If May is really who and what she says, then she is obviously completely out of touch with Ogden, incredibly naive, and has a personality disorder that keeps her stupid.I think May is really a shill - Some real bush league and dishonest political hack. First guess is that it is Phipps himself. He has already shown himself to be a bit of a fraud artist. Campaigning like this would certainly be in his bag of tricks. If it is not him, it is some one else working in concert with him.By the way, what "May" is doing is called Affinity Sales. That is where you tailor your pitch and create a personna to target a specific demographic. In this case who ever is playing the "May" character is trying to convince senior citizens that most other senior citizens are clamoring for Phipps to come in and save the town - with the hope of creating a buzz in the senior community, a lot of whom reads this paper. You see affinity marketing and sales through out the economy. It's at the heart of most commercials that are targeting a specific age group. For instance in cerial commercials the actors are kids and they target kids. In beer commercials they show young people having fun drinking beer. In get it up commercials they feature early age and handsome senior citizens taking the drug and heading off to the Cabana on the Beach. With advertizing in the media it is understood that this sort of portrayal is a commercial message and the people are acting and therefore doesn't really cross any ethical lines. In "May's" case "she" is representing herself as a real person, who is worldly, intelliegent and admirable and talking from the heart to other's in "her" age group. However amateuristic "her" performance is, "she" has that basic lie at the heart of the message. This is fraudulant selling - just like the object of her sales pitch practices. Affinity selling like this is kissing cousins to affinity fraud that is so prevalent in Utah. The saddest part of it is that a lot of older folks fall for it.So it"May" reallly is what she says that means she is an ignorant fool, and if "she" isn't then she is a not so cleaver BSer pitching a load for another not so cleaver BSer.
You naughty Boy
Oh, Ole. I am sure you know all about beer commercials. That is exactly what comes through your comments. Yes, I am worldly, smart, and admirable. And I know a BEER LABLE BOY when I "hear" one. What are you doing up so late talking about beer labels? I know why I am up. You are up because you are familiarizing yourself with beer labels. Are you part of the Cave Dwellers? That must be a pretty sad drinking group. Imagine, you all hope to influence Ogden's future from your beer labels and caves just being CITIZENS AGAINST VIRTUALLY EVERYTHING. For certain, your behavior is a compliment to those you attack. I would worry if you were on Phipps, or on the Mayor's team. I think they are more interested in contracts, finding the money, and growing Ogden than beer labels. By the way, a sour mind rots the brain. If I ever met you, which I am sure I won't, I would slap you good and hard Just send out the blood hounds. Ole is having another attack.
May or May Not
Tell you, what, May, honey, I'll get a promise from Ms. Van Hooser as soon as you tell me the answer to two questions:Who or what is WAPWOM?How can Mr. Phipps be a resident of Ogden and vote (legally) in Salt Lake County?As soon as I hear from you on these two issues, I'll have Ms. Van Hooser contact you. I'll need an address and/or phone number.
Go to bed, Honey
You are right, Strange Days, these are for sure strange days. You know the answers. Go to bed. Or are you a Cave (C-citizens, a-against, v-virtually, e-everything) Dweller. I just love the tone in your voice. There is something honest about it. A man your age should be in bed long before now. Are you mad at Susie VH for running for a 4-year term knowing she is going to finish two of the years? Doesn't it make you mad. If I were your age and I really cared about this town, I'd be furious. In fact, we would probably run her out of town. Let's just run her out of the race. That will do just fine. She doesn't qualify, does she? Let me ask you: Are you going to support a candidate for a four year seat who is going to serve only 2 years? Now that is a WAPWOM
Still no answers
Just thought I'd point out that, yet again, Ms. Smith has ignored Mr. Phipps little ethics problem --- voting in a local election in Salt Lake City when he had, he insists, moved out of SL and had established legal residence in Ogden. Somehow, telling SD to "go to bed" doesn't quite address the matter head on, does it.... Nor has she offered, yet again, the slightest of evidence to suggest that Ms. VH is not running for a full term. [Councilwoman Van Hooser did, after all, serve out the full term she was appointed to.] Claims without evidence, and ignoring questions raised: they may work well in what passes for serious public discussion back in progressive Georgia, but out here in Ogden, the High Advernture Capital of the Mountain West, we generally try for a slightly higher standard of public discourse.
May smith
I wish that people that think that they know so much about ogden would be a real voter. But MAY SMITH your not even a reg. voter. So I Guess that makes you Mark Johnson that is writing under the Name of MAY SMITH, Every thing that you write is the same words that Mark Johnson would Say. So Why don't you just tell the truth of what your all about. You know that Ever since I have been living in the town I have watched what M. J. would Stand For. It is Mark Johnson Smith. Way to Go Mark You sly Guy. Your not Fooling anyone.
May Smith is May Smith
Ogden Taxpayer:May Smith is May Smith. I am 71 years old. I have moved to Ogden from the South. I have only one layer of skin, and itis mine. Don't attribute to me your traits. I am who I am, and I intend to stay that way. I have no intention of fooling anyone. Keep your mouth clean Ogden Taxpayer, or the devil is going to get you.People in this town are really mean. A nicely gloved lady knows how to slap. Personal as well! Who is Mrs. Murray? She is our 80-year old neighbor who cares for our plants while we are away. We are in Ogden 5 months 15 days a year and then return to the South for the cold months. My husband has a heart condition and can't take the cold winters at this altitude. Why do you want to know who Mrs. Murray is? Don't surprise me. She isn't a Cave Dweller is she? Can't be, she goes to our religious society with us. She couldn't be a Cave Dweller.
Go back to the south
May, since you only live here 5 months and 15 days it shows that you are not a voter here and much of what you say doesn't mean a thing. so just go smell your flowers and be a cave person. most of us think of ourselves as caves dewellers, which stand for citizens against virtually everything stupid,. after all, that is what you are, because you cant even vote for phipps or hains or garner or dean, That just makes me laugh at you, HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
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Slap that boy's naughty face
Now that is a naughty boy. I think you need a lot of outside help in this town. It is like a clan trying to rule the town. Gosh, send out just one blood hound. They naughty boy has no manners. Besides,Ogden Taxpayer, I am smarter than you. Want to bet!
slap your boyish face
May, You should slap your self, I'm a Women and way to fansie for you
The truth
If you are so smart. then tell me Which voting district you live in and when did you reg. to vote?Come on Smartie pants.
I thought you said you were a teacher "May"
So did you simultaneously work in the law office while teaching the "4th graders how to debate in an effort to help children see the difference between debating and arguing" that you mentioned in your earlier post? That quote is pulled directly from your earlier post in which you lead everyone to belive you worked as a teacher and not at the law office.By the way, in my earlier post I forgot to mention the free Own-In-Ogden money that's also available to homeowners in East Central Ogden, or the soon-to-be Trolley District. That's another $5,000 brining the grand total available this year to $17,000 in free cash available to homeowners buying this year. The only stipulation to getting all of that free money is an agreement to reside in the home for three to five years (each program has a different requirements on how long the home has to be your primary residence). What real estate agent with two cents to rub together isn't buying properties and renting?If Phipps and his family have yet to make a personal commitment to stay in the community, he doesn't deserve my vote. While he's had a rental agreement in Ogden for a year, he did not move here until last December (according to his own family blog) and drives to his place of business in Davis County every day.As I said earlier, based on this information I can't see him as a candidate looking to do anything but take from Ogden. In four years he'll be long gone. In 50 years, I'll bet that I will still be buying gas from and getting my oil changed at Blair's business.
Get a clue and not be so shallow.
this is an email that a freind of mine sent me at has a lot of truth to it. I believe that Rep. Hansen wrote this,I have to chime in here. The real reason that we elect any person to office if
for that person to have integrity to fulfill there oath of office. It is not how
qualified a person is. After all the person that was in the county recorders
office for 26 years had all the qualification for that office. But when he stole
his neighbors land using his office that is when he failed the public and should
have gone to jail. He was thrown out of office but the damage was done. It all
comes down to integrity. With Phipps his integrity is now in question because
under oath he swore to the fact that he lived in Salt lake county at the time he
voted. But we all know that was not the truth. He had sold his house and moved
in with his parents. Then He swore under oath that he was an Ogden resident 12
months before an election. An election was held on Sept 15th. We know that he
did not live in his house until Dec 9th. He was still residing with his parents
in Ogden Valley. Once again this whole issue is about the truth and integrity
and honesty. And goes to the heart of democracy. This is the Issue as I see it.
Hansen is no representative
If you all think Mr Hansen contributes to this community, do the study of his legislative record which I did. You will see he is the least effecctive legislator in SLC. I cannot imagine Blair supporters considering Mr Hansen any help. He is no help to Ogden. Check his record. Again, send in the Blood Hounds.
Hansen Must be doing something right...
His Legislative District 9 constituency has sent him to the Utah House of Representatives for FIVE CONSECUTIVE TERMS.Wake up and smell the coffee, Ms. Smith.There are more things in heaven and earth "Mrs. Smith," than are dreamt of in your bridge club's phony philosophies.
How long have you been watching local politics?
So, a Democratic Representative in a House with a 3-1 Republican majority, and that majority representing largely the Froot Loop Wing of the Utah Republican Party [think Eagle Forum], does not get a long list of bills through to passage. And you think that somehow represents some kind of inherant failing in him? How long do you say you've been watching Utah politics now? Rep. Hansen plays the useful role minority party members can play in Houses with lopsided majorities of the other party. For example, he asks questions, loudly, that often the majority members would prefer not be asked. And he generally doesn't disemble. I don't always agree with him, but he does say what he means. I'm glad he's there. And here. And he's one of the very few state legislators I know, either party, who stands up on purely local issues, even when he doesn't have to. But, then, Rep. Hansen is not running for office this time round. Your boy Phipps is. And since it was Rep. Hansen who unearth the records proving that Mr. Phipps saw no problem voting in Salt Lake when he no longer lived there and had in fact established [Phipps insists] his legal residence in Ogden, I can see why you are (a) eager to talk about something, anything else and (b) angry at Rep. Hansen for asking questions you'd have preferred not be asked.
Hansen fails Ogden residents complete
During the last election, I had just come to Ogden and checked out Mr. Hansen's record. My second husband and I had just moved to Ogden to be near my husband's son and his sister. I had lived in a large southern city with a vital and progressive atmosphere. When I first came to Ogden, I thought that I would find the same atmsphere here. To my complete dismay, I was shocked to find a very strong movement in the town to obstruct almost anything. It appeared to be coming from one neighborhood. Well, I figured that out quickly. Hansen came into focus very quickly. I spoke to two representatives who both told me he was a completely ineffective legislator and did not represent Ogden well. Then I watched him. Sure enough. When I read the article here in question I thought to myself that this article is about the level of this man's contribution to Ogden. In Georgia we call these fellas wannabees or something like that. He just seemed to join a group that survived on being opposed to almost everything. He didn't seem to have the talent to lead, but he has the personality to disagree with everything. Therefore, the ambulance follower he has proved to be. So, here is a wannabee coming to the support of the neighborhood boy with a support of another wannabee going after another four seat who doesn't really want to be a four year council member but would rather be a two year council member to jump off for another job. Then on top of that Mr. Garcia and Mrs. Jeske to complete the rag tags. I have to say, in nearly three years, my husband and I have just chuckled at the politics of this group. When I heard that this group was inspired by the Cave Dwellers as my hen club calls them, I knew what was behind Mr. Hansen's INVESTIGATION of Mr. David Phipps. In my view, after years of watching this kind of behavior in other cities, I learned that people vote for people who protect their personal prejudices, not what is best for the community being served. When Mrs. Murray told us that it was part of an effort to develop the foothills and golf course, it began to make sense Anything the Mayor does, they are against. Isn't it funny how a town takes up arms when a Mayor takes the lead. What amazes me as I read the paper every morning is this mayor is undaunted. I am sure Andrew Jackson would have loved to have had him at the Battle of New Orleans. You all lined up all your favorite candidates: Hansen, Garcia, Jeske, Blair, VanHooser, Wicks, Gouchner. When I look at them as a whole, it is a pretty pathetic example of people to be guiding this town. Hilarious to see these posts opposing investors coming to town with their money. I don't see one of this group who could ever inspire anyone to invest anything in this town. You are obstructionist myoptic villagers who have no goals except to hate, hate, hate, hide, and spew. All the words we use for the gators in Florida. Someone invited me to go on some other site to follow what was being said. My sister found it, and it was the same thing. Boy, send in the blood hounds. This is a pathetic patch of weeds. I think that was the Cave Dwellers lair. God, call in the blood house and flush them out. For sure their sequence: hate, hate, drink, drunk, spew, hate some more, hate, spew and then post. What a sequence. Mean folks, I would say. Once is enough for me.I think David Phipps is exactly whatt this group of Cave Dwellers needs. He is young, granted, but he seems to have talent and certainly energy. He seems free to speak spontaneously while his opponent fumbles with a two minute card of notes. I was horrified, but I am more horrified by those who sat around me and thought it was a great presentation. It was really sad, and I knew Blair was not inspiring, but I didn't think he would be that weak. I am sure he is a fine man. Sad he got tangled up with the Cave Dwellers. I say it again: Where is the Talent? Where is the intellect? Certainly not Blair or SVH. Garcia? How possible? This is a neighborhood squabble. You have lost the vision for Ogden. Tax Revenue is the bottom line. My husband was a federal accountant, and he has shown me where all this is going. He has seen in a thousand times. And Ogden has certainly seen it a lot in its recent past. I suppose a town can't be better than itself. This is the story of the blind leading the blind.. You better know it as the sheepherder says.
It begins to become clear....
Ah, it begins to become clear. You arrived only two years ago, and concluded that those running against the Mayor for the post of Mayor were...,well, opposed to the Mayor. Can't sneak much passed you, I see. But you then leaped to the conclusion that they opposed everything and anything the Mayor proposed. Which conclusion, had you bothered to study the Council's relations with the Mayor and his proposals over the previous six years, or even the previous two years, you would have found to be nonsense. But clearly, you didn't bother to do that.As for the Mayor's proposals, here in Ogden [I don't know how Atlanta is run], we have a Mayor/Council form of government. The Council's main function is to act as a check on the Mayor by way of reviewing and assessing the worth of his proposals by means of the Council's power to establish the city's budget. [I believe even in Georgia the wisdom of the principles of "checks and balances" and "separation of powers" are widely appreciated. Taught in the schools, even, I've heard tell.] The overwhelming majority of the Administration's proposals over the past six years, and the past two years, the Council has approved... some with good results, some with unfortunately very expenisive results for the taxpayers. Unless you want to argue that all the proposals that come from the Mayor ought to be approved simply because they come from the Mayor, you'll have to grant that saying "no" to proposals the Council considers to be unwise --- or revising them to improve them --- is in fact, in the Council members' job description. It's kind of what we pay them to do. among other things. While I agree with you that a Council that said "no" to every Administration proposal would not be doing its job, seems you ought to agree with me that a Council that simply rubber-stamped every Administrative proposal would, similarly, not be doing its job. Which brings us to the question of Mr. Phipps' probably independence [or lack thereof] should he win election --- another topic I notice you have been very careful to avoid. As for opposition to the Mayor coming from only "one neighborhood," polling indicated that a majority of the city's residents opposed his plan to sell the city's largest park to his developer associates in order to raise enough money to partly pay for a city owned and operated gondola ride [estimated cost, at the time, $35 million plus] to run from downtown to WSU. It would have had one [1] "stop" between downtown and WSU at which people could enter or exit the gondola cars, thus providing, except for the one point, no access for riders to local businesses along the way, or apartments or condos or schools or anything else. Polling indicated, that a majority of Ogdenites thought that was a bad idea. [The mayor did not hastily drop his support for his sell-the-park-to-build-the-gondola plan mid-election because he was convinced a majority of voters liked it.] On the evidence, the only way that issue was a "one neighborhood" isssue is if the neighborhood you had in mind was called "Ogden."I also notice that, once again, you have carefully avoided the question of Mr. Phipp's integrity, raised first by his claim, just in time for the primary, to be endorsed by two well-know Ogdenites who had in fact not endorsed him. And then by his voting in the last election in Salt Lake, where he no longer lived, after having [he tells us, not Rep. Hansen] he had already established his residence in Ogden. Your main reaction to what Rep. Hansen's research revealed as been to attack Hansen. Even presuming [which I do not] that Hansen is as poor a Representative as you think he is, that would not alter the accuracy of what his research revealed one iota, nor would it reduce Mr. Phipps' resulting ethical problem a single jot. Why, I suspect Phipps little voting problem [voting in a local election in a city in which Phipps himself insists he no longer lived] would be considered pushing the limits of ethical conduct even in progressive Georgia. I certainly understand why you want to ignore the subject and tried to shift the topic to Hansen. In your shoes, I would too. But there Mr. Phipps' ethical lapse is, Ms. Smith. It isn't going to fade into your memory of moonlight and magnolias about how much better you did things in progressive Georgia however much you may want it to.
It will happen!
I look forward to watching Phipps perform. I think you will see a man of great integriy and great talent. I have read his info, seen him debate, and can hear his words. He has a brain! He can think. He has energy far more than the boy with 2 minutes of written notes. Flatlander, are you pro your city or are you a ra ra man for a weaker candidate. Vision and intellect come across in Phipps. Get off the voting issue and get on to the talent issue. As I have said, I have been in a very powerful office for years, and I know talent. Phipps has it. I hope he knocks on our door. We would have lots to discuss. If Mr. Blair were to knock on our door, it would be over in moments. It just isn't there. By the way, Flatlander, I think you need a bit of southern moon and magnolias. You have been hating in Ogden with the Cave D's for too long. You sound like them. Put out positive vibes. You will feel better. I know Ogden will. Send out the blood hounds. Flatlander is barking again.
About those 32 companies...
May: I see you have yet again chosen to ignore Mr. Integrity's little voting problem, casting a ballot where he no longer lived --- did Mr. Integrity somehow not notice he'd moved out of SLC? Did his wife spirit him out of SLC in the dead of night while he was sleepting? Did he forget that he'd already established legal residence in Ogden, or so he keeps telling us? They must have a very low bar for "integrity" back there in Georgia, May. [If anyone connected with ACORN had actually voted in a place he didn't live, the SE would be demanding an FBI investigation to ferret out the voter fraud. If Mr. Integrity does show up at your door, perhaps you can get from him a list of the 32 companies he claims he is personally responsible for convincing to move to Ogden. No one else has been able to get him to list them. Maybe you'll have more luck. And I notice, after only two years here, you've learned to repeat the Godfrey Gaggle mantra "anyone who disagrees with us is anti-Ogden." Didn't take you long. I've never managed to quite reach that level of arrogance, May. I don't think the Mayor and his sycophants are "anti Ogden." I just think they are often wrong in their ideas about how to improve the city. But since you seem to believe, as they do, that anyone who dares to disagree with them on matters of policy is therefor "anti Ogden," I understand why you are so comfortable with Godfrey rubber-stamp council candidates as your own.
May
This clown is Bill Glassman or Dustin Chapman. WHo cares what he writes? Let him shill for Phipps. It actually hurts the carpetbagger. Keep it up, Bill.
KISS
At-Large Seat A: Mr. Hains vs. Ms. Van HooserAt-Large Seat B: Mr. Blair vs. Mr. PhippsMay, if you're going to be a troll, at least be an effective one.
You are half right, "Strange Days"
You have the order of merit in the fist one: HAINS FIRSTYou have it wrong on the second one. PHIPPS IS OUR MANI can't wait to play bridge on Tuesday. By the way, who represents Ogden other than from the same part of town. Isn't anyone getting the picture here. I don't live in either one, but I can see what a plot this is.Oh, God. Send in the Blood Hounds, this piss-ants are having a hill party. But from what I hear, they've been doing this cave digging before.
The Alphabet
I listed them alphabetically, May. Nice try.
"May Smith" aka Matthew Godfrey Spin Control
"May Smith" certainly doesn't write and compose things the way my grandpa does when he's on the computer. The entire nature of "her" post indicates she's much young than indicated - the use of all caps, punctuation and sentence structure changes with every generation (for instance look at how Curmudgeon who's stated he falls in the senior categor on the WC Forum posts compared to "Mrs. Smith's"). My Grandpa has bought gas at Blair's business for at least 50 years. He and his buddies think Phipps is Godfrey carpet bagger. "May" - stop with the ALL CAPS if you actually want people to think you really exist.
I am 71 and know how to use caps
Thanks for the compliment. I am 71, worked in a law office for 31 years, and I know how to use caps. I come from a large southern metropolis and am learning about small town politics. The issue here is not qualifications but neighborhoods. This is a really sad state of affairs. The conclusions stands: PHIPPS IS THE TALENTED CANDIDATE. Blair will make a good committee member. There is no question in my mind. I have been in an office that taught me to read quality and character Give me PHIPPS.I ask you, Loves Ogden, do you love Ogden or do you hate Mayor Godfrey? Unfortunately, small minds with little vision see Ogden as a paradise as it is. Wait until your golf course is no longer possible because there is no more money in the Cemetery Trust Fund. Glad my ashes go to the wind because I couldn't be PUT where they are not secure. AND, I COULDN'T GOLF ON A COURSE WHERE DEAD FOLKS ARE PAYING THE BILL. We call that "shame" in the South, Sonny Boy.Eye-opening thinking seems to bother you, "Loves Ogden."What is the matter with these Cave Dwellers.
Well, Ms. Smith...
Well, Ms. Smith, if you're going to argue character and integrity on behalf of Mr. Phipps, at some point you're going to have to explain how your candidate for public office in Ogden could , integrity intact, vote in Salt Lake City when he [he has informed us] not only no longer lived there, but had established legal residence in Ogden. Seems to me that was a plainly unethical thing for him to have done. If he truly does not understand what's wrong with doing what he did, then the Ogden polling officials had better be on the lookout for his Salt Lake neighbors trying to vote in the Ogden Council race for their neighbor, since Mr. Phipps may have told them it really doesn't matter where you actually live, you can pick any polling place you like and vote there instead.
May Smith is a hypester
The More "May" writes this fiction the more evident it becomes that "May" is a shill, someone working with Phipps on damage control, perhaps Phipps himself. He is obviously playing for the old lady vote, there are a lot of those votes in the Ogden demographic. Most older women and men I know are not near as gullible as the amateur propagandist who is writing this drivel would have us believe. The attempt to come across as a down to earth senior citiezen if bush league BS being perpitrated by the campaign of a morally bankrupt carpet bagger.
Poor Ole
Where I come from, I know what a carpet bagger is. Phipps doesn't fit the definition. I like him. I think he has the fortitude this town needs. Ole, I think this is neighborhoods feuding. The carpet bagger is SVHooser who thinks she can run for a four year position, then jump after two and then run for something else--like mayor? Come on, Ole, call me an old lady if you like but I know who the carpet bagger and I know who is driving the buggy.As I have said MARK MY WORD. Susie is turning the four year tenure into a two year job. Very naughty girl, I would say. Do you mean to tell me that a neighborhood is going to be taken in by Susie and her seeking a two year term? She is playing with the people of Ogden. She is after something other than what she is running for. And you are falling for this. On top of that, you say Mr. Hansen is the best informed politician around and therefore he is for Blair and questions Phipps.You mean to tell me you trust tricky Susie and No-Do Hansen? That doesn't sound good to me. As the Hens say, TELL SVH TO SWEAR TO THE COMMUNITY SHE IS AFTER A FOUR-YEAR RUN. She won't do it. Let Hansen's record be his credentials. Poor Ole, you have odd friends. Are they the Cave Dwellers?Poor Ole. You have a neighborhood problem.
Ethics not Law
Unraveling the mare's nest of Utah residency/eligibility law is
beyond me. Particularly since our legislators so often don't know what
it is they have done when they pass a law --- look at all
the times they have to rush
through a fix in the next session because it turned out they'd done something they didn't
know they'd done in the previous one. Extracting legislative intent from what passes for debate in the Utah Legislature often seems to require the services of a seer rather than an attorney or judge. So I'd like to come at Mr. Phipps problem from
the point of view of ethical conduct rather than legal requirements: If
Mr. Phipps established his Ogden residency when he says he did, then
he knew he was not a resident of SLC when he cast his vote there in
November.
Law aside, it seems to me that no one standing for public office who
understood the ethical responsibilites of a public man should have, in
good conscience, voted in Salt Lake City when he knew himself to no
longer be a resident there. For me, Mr. Phipps' problem on this matter
is an ethical one, regardless of what the law might be. What he
evidently did just wasn't the right thing for an ethical man to do, and particularly not for one standing for public office. And if he did not know that, he should have.
Exactly
Not looking at whether he can be removed because he broke the law, but the most important in a democratic society - the voters need to be informed! Ethics, of course: "If Mr. Phipps established his Ogden residency when he says he did, then he knew he was not a resident of SLC when he cast his vote there in November." Yet, Mr. Phipps told the S-E that "Weber County election officials did not inform him he could have voted provisionally at an Ogden polling place." Since when do the Weber County Election officials have the manpower or time to notify everyone who might have just moved into the area that they can vote provisionally? DUH? Mr. Phipps could have called and asked .... ignorance is no excuse ... and all that.js, BB
Lack of PERSONAL economic commitment to Ogden
Mr. Phipps, who works in Real Estate, is undoubtedly aware that never in the history of our country has there been a better time to buy a home. Interest rates are rock bottom and the federal government is offering $8,000 in free cash to homebuyers. The state also offered $4,000 in free money this summer. That’s $12,000 in free money. It wouldn’t take much more for even a young family starting out to purchase a home in Ogden with those incentives. Based on his lack of action to purchase a home or operate his business from Ogden (from what I understand he is based out of Layton which is not even in the county) he’s either fairly unsuccessful at “the business of bringing business to Ogden†and is financially unable to purchase a home, or isn’t personally interested enough to commit to a long-term investment in the community and is looking at the city council position as a resume stepping stone a means to bring personal gain to his private endeavors based on holding a public service position with political influence. A rental with an option to purchase isn’t a commitment. It’s hedging bets.If he worked in a different profession, I’d be less leery about his failure to make a PERSONAL economic commitment – but when in anyone’s lifetime will we ever see a better opportunity to purchase a home.I was completely unimpressed with him at the debate. That doesn’t mean he wasn’t very articulate. Being a smooth talker with well-rehearsed answers doesn’t mean he answered questions. He wasn’t a straight talker. When asked how long he has lived in Ogden, he refused to say during a several minute speech. It was only after he finished and someone said “You didn’t answer the question†that he admitted to only living in Ogden (and Weber County) for one year. Just because you talked the longest, doesn’t mean you discussed anything with real content.
PHIPPS -BLAIR-SUSIE
I know nothing--nor do you--about Mr. Phipp's purchase or renting. What is it with you all? Worrying about people investing in this town? You don't have any money or you are not willing to invest what little you have AND you resent others coming in and making a stab at it. I think the town needs to step back and view itself. No, I am sticking to observations at a debate. All I can say is a group of people in this town is certalinly worried about their BLAIR candidate or your attacks would be more oriented to goals and objectives. Certainly you are not saying that Bart Blair's presentation at the last election was impressive!!! I used to teach 4th graders how to debate in an effort to help children see the difference between debating and arguing. Your posts remind me of the snotty nosed kid at the back of the class who wanted to scream and have a tantrum. No, Phipps is the man for this job. I don't need more than 3 years here to figure out how the obstructive web in this town is its major disappointment. I want to see the talent, not the rental agreement. The rental agreement is for legal hands and they have apparently resolved that matter. So, let's see the talent. I know nothing of Bart Blair except his performance in the last debate. HE IS NOT INSPIRING and his lack of performance and insight only act as a powerful contrast to Phipps who seems quick, capable, and if given the ball will certainly know what to do. THIS TOWN IS SO DIVIDED THAT ITS BLINDNESS WILL CAUSE IT TO STUMBLE OVER ITSELF. It all seems to me to find pettiness to smear a candidate whose abilities far outshine the weaker mind. PHIPPS will make a difference. He has the energy. I have never met the man, so my view is based on observation and reading and hearing. I might add that the ladies in my hen club all think PHIPPS is the best candidate and he will win. I certainly hope the PHIPPS supporters are out there doing Phipps justice because he is the boy with talent.
rent or own?
There is a copy of the lease (not purchase contract) linked in this article .... point your little mouse arrow on it and click, then you will know! If you say you know nothing of Blair, then maybe you shouldn't vote! Voting takes a little intelligence and you gain intel by doing your research and follow up on the candidates -- don't base it solely on the debate. You also say you have never met Phipps, so you don't know him either. Hmmm I don't know if people like you should be voting in this town. Phips said at the debate he brought 39 business to Ogden in the last year ... come on! ... is that really possible? Did he name them, one by one? In this economy, could 39 new businesses have come realistically to any town? Check out his website, find his email and ask him about it, and see if he doesn't dodge the question -- I did, and he did. You said He is the boy with talent -- do we really want boys on our city council? I think adults (men and women) would be better.js, BB
Knowing a candidate
Dear Biker:I have been studying everywhere I can find info about these candidates. I prefer to watch them perform in public because that is where they will be working. Private talk is NOT PUBLIC BEHAVIOR. I want the public stuff. Neighbors and neighborhood chatter does not count. You know him? You know his mom? You had him in school? Goodness me! He pumps your gas? Where is his station? I will go see him.At my age, I have the privilege of calling both Phipps and Blair BOY. Kind of nice, don't you think? It is apparent and obvious that Blair is a nice fellow. Agreed. But,he lacks the "power" to lead at this point in time. l like how Phipps wields the sword when faced with a motley group ganging up to do him in.This town has no business considering followers for leaders' positions. The leader in this duo is Phipps. He is the perfect example of IF YOU CAN'T MATCH HIS ABILITY, BEAT HIM UP. You are obviously trying to do this. Are you a Cave Dweller?
Amazing, simply amazing. You
Amazing, simply amazing. You began this thread on Phipps vs. BLair by talking about comments at a card game. That is basically private talk. If you are unaware of where Blair service is located you have not researched the candidates. You are merely a shill for your favored candidate. Actually go the candidates web sites and study them. I really don't consider Davis Phipps a leader except that he will let Matthew Godfrey lead him into voting for more debt obligations. He does not believe in Ogden enough to move his business here.He does not believe in Ogden enough to purchase a home here. You have written about the lengthy bridge game, did any other candidates name come up in conversation? What was the groups opinion of the mayor. I doubt that the card game or conversation took place but is just a story you use to promote one candidate and disparage another candidate.
GET HER PROMISE
I think you better get a promise from SVH that she is running for a four-year seat. I think she is using you and your team. GET HER PROMISE AND THEN GO FROM THERE. You won't get her promise because she is running for a 2-year stay only. Oh, yes, we do play cards, but we have had a lot to talk about lately, and it is not cards. DON'T DOUBT ME. I get angry if you do.
Grow up. You are acting like
Grow up. You are acting like a petulant child making threats on a message board. Let me put it this way. You are just trolling and telling tall tales and lies to support your chosen candidate.
GROVER, SHAME. GET A PROMISE FROM SVH FOR 4 YRS yes!
Now we know, Mr. Dover. GET A COMMITMENT FROM SVS Is she running for a four year seat or a two year seat. GET A PROMISE so we know if all our effort is for a two year seat or a four year seat. Have her post on the Standard site that she promises to run for four years. THEN WE KNOW.I think we have you figured out. Are you part of the Cave Dwellers, Ben Dover?I don't tell lies. ASK SUSIE VAN HOOSER if she is running for two or four years? Then let's see who lies. Petulant child, certainly that would be you. I am too old to be a petulant child. I think I can see through this entire matter with eyes of a mother and a grandmother. Petulant? Gosh, that would be nice again.GET A PROMISE FROM SVH
Can I play too?
Ooooo, this looks like fun. Can I play too? Let me try....GET A COMMITTMENT FROM MR. PHIPPS! Did he move to Ogden just for this election? Will he be voting back in Salt Lake two years from now? Is that why he's only renting here, not buying? WHY WON'T HE TELL US? Get a promise from him that he will not register to vote anywher else for the next four years! THEN WE WILL KNOW! WHERE WILL MR. PHIPPS BE MOVING NEXT? AND WHEN? Gosh, that was fun, especially the ALL CAPS parts. Hasn't got damn all to do with the election of course, but then neither does May Smith's post. But it was fun....
do your parents know you are
do your parents know you are playing on the computer? Perhaps when you become an adult you might regain internet priviliges. Now go away and don't come back until you cam make semse amd are all grown up. just like a real adult.
Nope, they are deceased
Hi Friend. No my parents are deceased, just like the people in the Ogden Cemetery whose city trust money is paying for you to play golf on their dime. Do you think that a small percentage of the town should be playing golf on dead peoples money? You want someone to fund the golf course so a few people can play golf so the cemetery fund can pay the bill. What kind of a town is this? In the South, we would say that is really wicked. But in Ogden, you all say LET THE GAME GO ON. Oh, Ben Dover, be buried in Roy. It is safer.
The percentage of people
The percentage of people playing Mount Ogden Golf Course is higher than the amount that use the trail systems, city airport or shop at the Junction but large subsidies are required to maintain those venues. There was not a problem with MOGC untio Godfrey became mayor and deceides to sell open space to the highest bidder instead of keeping it for future generations. I believe that you are merely a creation of the mayor and his cronies although unlike Gadi Leesham or Val Southwick you are currently not under investigation or in jail.
To return to David Phipps' lack of qualifications
I wouldn't trust David Phipps to babysit my dog for an hour, much less have a say in determining Ogden's future policy and spending. He has lived in Ogden for only a year (or less) and doesn't know us or have roots here.He claims to have brought many businesses to Ogden, but he is a real estate agent in Layton, working with his father. He cannot tell us which businesses he is speaking about and people who know local business can't either because there haven't been that many new businesses brought to Ogden!He lied about his place of residence when he voted in SLC last November 4. That's voter fraud.He has received major funding from anonymous sources, disguised as acronyms. This funding is in part from a real estate entrepreneur from California, the other from a totally unknown source in Hawaii. In neither case are real people's names and addresses associated with the donations. Anonymous contributions are illegal and must be returned according to law.He has a prepared speech about bringing new business to Ogden. Haven't we been hearing that song from City Hall for the past 4 years and to what effect? I not only am NOT impressed with this very young, inexperienced, unethical candidate, I am very concerned about the possibility of having someone with these ethics serving on the RDA. The RDA is composed of the City Council and the Mayor. They are privy to confidential information about land and building values and potential sales. Would Mr. Phipps absent himself from such information? I think not.Mr. Phipps should be selling snake oil or used cars, not trying to run our city.