When James Coleman bought his first ski resort a little less than 20 years ago, he had achieved a lifelong dream. He also got a heavy dose of reality. 

“It’s one thing to read books about running ski resorts, it’s another to do it,” he said. “Those first couple years were pretty tough. After five or six years, though, I felt like ‘We’ve got this down, let’s look at expanding it.’”

Coleman did expand, aided by his tendency to look on the bright side. His company, Mountain Capital Partners, now manages around half a dozen mostly small and mid-sized resorts in the Southwest. Their flagship mountain is Purgatory Resort near Durango, Colorado. But after coming on as a partner for Nordic Valley last spring, Coleman hopes to make the 140-acre hill his pinnacle mountain.

In June, a website appeared announcing the owners’ grand plans — expanding it to 2,850 lift-served acres, with a gondola connecting to North Ogden. The website took many by surprise, including North Ogden city officials and residents on both sides of the mountain.

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Coleman plans to host an open house from 5-7 p.m. on Thursday, July 12, at Nordic Valley to answer the public’s questions about the plans.

He met with the Standard-Examiner ahead of the meeting to provide more background on his experience, his thoughts on responsible resort management and his plans for Nordic Valley. The conversation has been edited for length and clarity.

Standard-Examiner: A Nordic Valley expansion has been proposed for decades. Why do you think you’re the group that can pull it off?

Coleman: We’re used to pulling off difficult projects. I’ve been in the ski business about 20 years, I understand what it takes and I have the right team in place. I’m very persistent. But there are certainly no guarantees.

S-E: Tell me about the gondola. It seems like a pretty big hurdle, to get the U.S. Forest Service to allow you to develop in a roadless area.

Coleman: That’s a misconception. It’s inventoried roadless, which is different from something actually being roadless.

There are lots of forest areas that are in the inventory that didn’t actually get designated as roadless and this is one of them.

S-E: What’s your timeline? When would you like to see this expansion accomplished?

Coleman: We’re shooting to start building the gondola in 2020. I think that will be the key piece to getting this going, getting a lot of energy and excitement about it. There’s a transportation component to it. It’ll be set up so buses will come on either side, drop people off, pick people up, so people don’t have to drive through the canyons.

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Site of proposed gondola to Nordic Valley Ski Resort in North Ogden on Monday, June 25, 2018.

S-E: Have you talked to the Forest Service?

Coleman: Yes. I personally have talked to them a few times. We have other people in our organization that have talked to them also. It’s very preliminary with them, this is part of the process they want us to go through before we make a formal submittal — they want us to engage with the public. So we’re going through that process.

S-E: Talk to me about your marketing strategy. It seems you quietly dropped a website with limited information about your plans and it took a lot of people off-guard — the mayor of North Ogden, the city council, the U.S. Forest Service and some of the residents around here. They all seemed a bit surprised.

Coleman: I don’t know if we did it perfectly. Obviously we didn’t, but we’re doing the best we can. The concept was to get the information out there to the public as quickly as we could. That seemed like the best way to do it in today’s age, to set up a website. About the same time I set that website up, I was in town talking to as many people as I could. I met with probably 20 different folks. Obviously there’s more than that who want to talk about this.

S-E: Who did you meet with?

Coleman: A couple of the county commissioners, Visit Ogden, different leaders in the community. I’ve been doing that also this week. Not just in Ogden, but Salt Lake, too. Key folks in the state. I’m trying to cover a lot of ground, it’s hard to get to everybody at once.

S-E: I got a press release yesterday about the planned expansion. It says it’s going to be “responsible and inclusive.” What does that mean?

Coleman: We really want this to be not just about skiing, but about the whole community. If you’re into hiking, for example, it’ll be a cool opportunity. You can jump on the gondola and then in 10 minutes, you’re on top of the ridge and looking at the incredible views. If you’re someone who doesn’t have the physical abilities to enjoy the tops of the mountains, you’ll get to see what everyone else gets to enjoy.

At our core, we do love skiing. And we do love building things and we love helping people. Put those things together in an environment like this, it’s really awesome.

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Skiers make their way down the LIttle Bear run at Nordic Valley on Saturday, Jan. 16, 2016. Nordic Valley has had a strong season this year after last year's warm, dry winter cut their season short in middle of a large expansion.

S-E: OK, that’s how you plan to be “inclusive.” What do you mean by “responsible?”

Coleman: You want to do things right, you want to protect the environment. You want the forest to be as healthy as it possibly can be. We have a very good history of being responsible stewards. We have a number of Forest Service permits in New Mexico and Arizona and Colorado. We’re hoping to have one here, too, expanding into the forest.

S-E: I’m going to push you on the environment part. Bringing more people to the top of the mountain, glading and cutting new trails, that all has an environmental impact.

Coleman: Yeah, so, the environmental stuff is a complicated issue. But first and foremost, I think it’s about people and people being able to enjoy their mountains. To do those things, there has to be improvements. You have to make things better.

Glading, it’s actually often good for the environment. It’s good for watersheds. More water makes into the ground. It provides food for animals. If it’s just totally a thicket of trees, there’s not that much food in it.

S-E: Are you planning on glading Coldwater Canyon?

Coleman: We’ll definitely do trail work in there. We just haven’t gotten to that level. We haven’t gotten super specific, just basic concepts.

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James Coleman discusses plans for expansion at Nordic Valley on Tuesday, July 10, 2018. Coleman's company, Mountain Capital Partners, runs multiple small ski resorts around the Southwest. They recently entered into an operating agreement with Nordic Valley and announced a plan to increase the ski area from 140 to 2,850 acres.

S-E: A critique I’m sure you’ve heard a lot is Nordic Valley is the last ski area to open and the first to close because they’re in a bad spot in the valley —

Coleman: It’s the lower elevation that’s the biggie on that. It’s funny, because at most of our resorts we’re known for being the first to open and last to close.

Even though this was the worst snow year for Nordic Valley in 41 years, there was still a lot of skiable terrain in the upper half of the mountain in April. Getting higher up will help Nordic Valley be more competitive with other resorts.

S-E: Let’s talk climate change. You did an interview with Outside magazine around a year ago where you seemed to brush off the issue.

Coleman: I wouldn’t say I brushed it off. It’s just not an area that I’m really focused on. There’s been climate change for millennia. There’s no question the Earth goes through cycles, there is climate change, in general the Earth has been heating up. It’s not something I worry about a whole lot myself. We do the best we can to deal with it, to improve our snowmaking, to improve the way we manage the mountain.

S-E: I know the planet’s had climatic cycles. But nearly all climate scientists agree it’s speeding up and it’s human-caused. You talk about environmental stewardship, so I wonder why you’re not more concerned with climate change and its impacts?

Coleman: I just think there are bigger things I have to deal with, personally, that I can have more control over than the climate. I don’t think it’s conclusive, personally, that climate change is human caused. My home in Durango, 10,000 years ago, was under 2,000 feet of ice.

I don’t think there’s anything one person can do to make the Earth colder.

S-E: What are your summer plans for Nordic Valley?

Coleman: We want to make it a full summer resort. Put in more mountain biking, alpine slides, mountain coasters, ziplines, those kinds of things. We’re definitely skiing first, but are trying to improve the summer experience and have more summer activities.

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Nordic Valley Ski Resort in Eden on Monday, June 25, 2018.

S-E: Why not keep Nordic Valley the way it is? It has its niche, its market.

Coleman: It doesn’t make any money the way it is. It’s too small. It needs to be more substantial to compete with the rest of the resorts. Our proposal is to make it a similar size to Snowbasin.

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Snowboarders ride up the Apollo lift at Nordic Valley on Saturday, Dec. 27, 2014. After a late start to the Utah ski season, Saturday was the first day that all of the lifts at Nordic Valley were operational.

S-E: Have you expanded any of your other resorts besides Purgatory?

Coleman: Yes, it depends on your definition of “expansion.”

S-E: But nothing this ambitious?

Coleman: No, this will be the largest.

S-E: You mentioned working with the Forest Service to expand Purgatory, but that was already part of the resort’s master plan, was it not? A lot of the legwork was done 10 years ago.

Coleman: Part of that got a boundary expansion. It was not part of the master plan. It wasn’t real large, 25-50 acres off the top of my head. Getting a boundary expansion that quickly, though, I think that was pretty impressive.

S-E: What is your plan if the overwhelming sentiment is that the public doesn’t want an expansion at Nordic Valley?

Coleman: I just don’t think like that, I’m too positive. I know not everybody will, but I hope most people are for it. I haven’t thought of a Plan B if the majority is against it.

S-E: There are rumors that part of the plan is to have North Ogden annex Nordic Valley so you can have denser development. Is that the case?

Coleman: I’ve heard about that too. Like I said, there were plans before I even got here. I wasn’t part of that process.

S-E: But you can say on record, right now, that’s not part of your plan?

Coleman: It’s not a set part of the plan, that’s for sure. There’s still way too much dialogue to be had with the city and county.

S-E: Is selling real estate an important part of your business strategy?

Coleman: I think it will be an important part of this for sure. But it’s not the primary – one of our mantras is “skiing first” and we really believe that. We’ve done very minimal real estate development on our ski resorts so far. The skiing experience has to be great, that has to happen first.

S-E: Some of the planned expansion area is private land, already owned by Nordic Valley. Why hasn’t that been developed yet? Why not start there?

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James Coleman discusses plans for expansion at Nordic Valley on Tuesday, July 10, 2018. Coleman's company, Mountain Capital Partners, runs multiple small ski resorts around the Southwest. They recently entered into an operating agreement with Nordic Valley and announced a plan to increase the ski area from 140 to 2,850 acres.

Coleman: Economics. We looked at getting that started, but we feel like we should focus on the bigger plan. It’d be such a minor step compared to what needs to happen here. I love doing that, I go out with my chainsaw myself and cut trails. It’s maybe my second favorite sport after skiing.

S-E: What are you most excited about?

Coleman: The big picture, we love skiing, we love building things, we love helping people. To be able to do that in this incredible environment, in this location, to help people have fun in the mountains is an awesome thing to do. It’s something I dream about.

Contact Reporter Leia Larsen at llarsen@standard.net. Follow her on Facebook.comLeiaInTheField or on Twitter @LeiaLarsen. 

(6) comments

springsibis

Nothing, added to ripping apart cold water canyon where theres protected species! These ski developers are all for building cabins its not about the skiing thats why Brent Taylor over a year ago was asking around if North Ogden could annex nordic valley. It seems pretty lame that these developers can't sell their local community on their projects so they just get to leave for another town? Is this how the game is played now? Salt lake will become Murray? Liberty becomes North ogden?

dvs1444

Over the coming decades, climate change will shorten the ski seasons at all resorts. Up at Brighton it may not matter much if the season gets a couple weeks shorter. But at Nordic Valley, where the season is already so short, shaving off a couple more weeks would matter a great deal.

ringtailsam

Sad that he appears to be a climate denier despite overwhelming evidence that global warming is due to human activity. He states: "I don’t think it’s conclusive, personally, that climate change is human caused." Of course he is correct in acknowledging that climate change has previously occurred. Hope he gets enough snow to make a go of things there.

robertlokonis

Seems like a pretty cool guy.  Let's be honest - the place can't make money in its current form.  Something has to be done.  I'd rather have someone with some passion do this than a big corporate player.

notrational

Environmentally sensitive ski areas really don't exist.  Let's be honest about that.  If this goes as planned the what was once supposed to be the resort for the rich and famous in the OV (Snowbasin) will actually be the holdout for locals.  Powder Mountain wants to convince the uber rich that they can feel less guilty about their boatloads of money by buying and skiing there and this place will invite the sub-uber rich to overpopulate the back side of Ogden with ugly, massive "cabins" that will sit empty most of the time.  What's environmentally sensitive about any of that?

matthewjskywalker

His answers are very vague, and if he is dealing with the County Commission you know its tinged with ethics issues.

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